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  • Profile photo of dkramdkram
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    Dear IP Gurus,
    I am totally new to IP and I am determined to be successful. I want help in initial steps. Here is my situation:
    My gross income : $130K per year (i am an IT contractor).
    My wifes : $50K (full time govt job).
    Our home valued at $280K (mortgage : $140K)
    Have 2 kids in primary school. Car loan repayment $500 per month.

    We are thinking of changing our home to go into a bigger home. I think we are prepared to spend about $450K.
    Lenders say that they can lend us up to $800K.
    These are a few things i want to do.
    a) get new home – upto $450 (build or buy)
    b) sell the existing one or keep it as IP
    c) get an IP -cos I can borrow.

    What I cannot decide is how much should invest into IP. How to calculate that figure? Whether to keep the existing home as IP or not? Whether I should invest into IP first or should I get the new home first? The current home 3BR + study will go for sometime as kids will stay in primary school for sometime.

    I would appreciate a lot if someone can help me make these decisions. I know there are people out there with heaps of knowlegde and experience who can guide me.

    Thank you very much for your time!!!

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    If you are planning to purchase a new home and you can afford to hold onto the existing house, hold onto it. There is no point paying the selling costs and purchase costs of a new IP.
    If you currently live in an area that will rent ok, then hang onto it.
    If you are going to go down this path and are currently paying Principal and Interest on your mortgage, I’d consider to going to Interest only. Maybe even upstamp that mortgage to 80% so that you can get access to the extra equity (approx 80k) for future investments.
    Basically, stop pumping money into your current mortgage if it is going to become an investment mortgage and start putting the extra aside for the deposit and costs for your new home, or knock off the car loan.

    After you get settled in the new home, maybe even before, use part of the 80k equity to purchase another IP. With a 130k income don’t be afraid to go for capital gains and negatively gear, as even after next year tax bracket changes you will still be in the top margin.

    I’m no adviser, just a guy in IT on a bit less than yourself, a wife on the same, with a house that is half owned by the bank and a couple of IP’s. We just got started on the properties before the kids.

    Good Luck

    Mal

    Getting out of your comfort zone, can help you become comfortable

    Profile photo of BorgInvestorBorgInvestor
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    Hello there!!! Before you make any decisions I suggest you read a book called “Rich Dad, Poor Dad” by Robert Kiyosaki. Very enlightening book, and good advice too. (I have a loaner if you want it)

    Borg

    Profile photo of pete rpete r
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    Hi dkram and welcome.

    Your request for someone to help you make decisions is a potentially dangerous one in that you will get varying views, advice, opinions and you have no way of knowing the expertise of the people providing that advice. Also, if you act on that advice wihout understanding you are handing control of your financial security to someone else whom you may not even know. Admittedly there are some very experienced investors on this forum and some excellent contributors, but until you know who they are and get to know them personally you should be very wary.

    What may be helpful is to proceed with your determination to be successful and be prepared to persist and act. Education is critical, a mentor is extremely valuable and a financial plan forms part of your strategy.

    The best place to get financial help is through the services of a successful investor who you trust and who understands your specific situation (need not necessarily be accountant or financial advisor). How much you should invest into IP will be determined by how many properties you wish to purchase and in what time-frame (your plan for your property investment portfolio). That to a large extent will be determined by whether the IP’s are CF+ or negatively geared and hence your ability to service those loans. Also, your risk tolerance and exposure to other investments (eg shares) will influence the amount of money you will invest in property.

    It’s great to ask questions and I comend you for that but the place to start is with education, which comes from many sources including books as well as experience. Then you can make decisions yourself without having to rely on opinions of faceless, unknown people.

    Hope that this is of some help.

    Cheers

    pr

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    dkram,
    This months API Magazine has an article on the topic of selling or not when you upgrade and move to a new home. It addresses some of the issues that needed to be taken into account.

    Pete r is right (and thankfully very tactful), ask questions, take in other ideas and opinions, but act on your education (which like IT doesn’t stop once your foot is in the door).

    Mal

    Getting out of your comfort zone, can help you become comfortable

    Profile photo of kenkoh2000kenkoh2000
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    Originally posted by dkram:

    Dear IP Gurus,
    I am totally new to IP and I am determined to be successful. I want help in initial steps. Here is my situation:
    My gross income : $130K per year (i am an IT contractor).
    My wifes : $50K (full time govt job).
    Our home valued at $280K (mortgage : $140K)
    Have 2 kids in primary school. Car loan repayment $500 per month.

    We are thinking of changing our home to go into a bigger home. I think we are prepared to spend about $450K.
    Lenders say that they can lend us up to $800K.
    These are a few things i want to do.
    a) get new home – upto $450 (build or buy)
    b) sell the existing one or keep it as IP
    c) get an IP -cos I can borrow.

    What I cannot decide is how much should invest into IP. How to calculate that figure? Whether to keep the existing home as IP or not? Whether I should invest into IP first or should I get the new home first? The current home 3BR + study will go for sometime as kids will stay in primary school for sometime.

    I would appreciate a lot if someone can help me make these decisions. I know there are people out there with heaps of knowlegde and experience who can guide me.

    Thank you very much for your time!!!

    ***************************************
    Dear Dkram,

    1. What are your own property investing goals?

    2. How do you want to create wealth through property investing? Via IPs or PPOR route?

    3. What are your own present thoughts at this point in time?

    4. Looking forward to hearing from you further please.

    5. Thank you.

    regards,
    Kenneth KOH

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    Hi dkram
    Post your state.
    Then go to the local group for that area.
    If in sydney we have ameeting on the 11th sept in gladsville.
    Im with pete r in regard to advice and if you read my posts I say I don’t give financial advice for one very good reason.
    Asic have a habit of fining and at worse sending you to the min security for doing so, hence it must be general advice.
    You are in a very common position and you do need advice on how to structure your affairs and a local broker,accountant,banker all need to assist you but
    Remember you are swimming in the sea of finance and real estate and in that sea there are alot of sharks and on a bulliten board that shark maybe asking you to follow his or her lead.
    Use all and any information give as general advice and try to weed the difference.
    Good luck and if in Sydney, come to the sydney meeting and you will meet a couple of investor I think there are 15 going currently.

    here to help

    Profile photo of dkramdkram
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    Thank you everyone for ur time.
    Dear Kenneth,
    My property investing goals: I want financial independence. I want to own a couple of residential IPs.
    I want to buy and hold them for sometime. Probably till I am still working as a IT consultant (that maybe for next 10 to 15 years).
    I want to reduce the tax I am paying. Our combined income in about $180K per year and we are paying a lot of tax. I want to gear against something.
    I don’t want to just to sit down and expect things to happen.
    I want to do something about my future and kids future while I am still young healthy and working.

    I know I can borrow a good amount of money from the bank but I don’t know how much to spend on one IP.

    Thanks for your help.

    Profile photo of GPSnetworkGPSnetwork
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    Hi dkram,

    Would have loved to assist you althou you are based in VIC, sound like you need to sit down with a Financial Planner or an IP Guru as you would put it to give you the insight to what your particular needs are.

    Roy H.
    L.R.E.A., Dip FS (FP)
    Guardian Property Specialists (GPS)
    http://www.gpsnetwork.com.au

    Profile photo of grossrealisationgrossrealisation
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    hi roy
    how did you work out he was in vic I asked the question.

    here to help

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    left click mouse over username= user profile = vic

    cheers

    brahms
    Purveyor of Fine Finances
    aka Mortgage Broker Brisbane

    Profile photo of pete rpete r
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    Hi again,

    Great goals with which to start out. Many people indicate a desire for financial freedom but that can be very nebulous and mean different things to different people. Do you have a clear idea of what that means to you and what sort of PASSIVE annual income you would require to achieve that? It is important to be specific in order to set the goal and work towards it, and also to be clear in the understanding that true financial freedom involves passive income rather than active income.

    You have stated that you would like a couple of residential IPs over the next several years, which is fine but will that be sufficient to provide you with financial independence?

    Finally, although it makes sense to legally minimise tax obligations the wise gurus say that the purpose of investing is to make money rather than to make losses, and so investment decisions based purely on tax considerations are fraught with danger. Minimising a loss through tax dedeuctions is still a loss. If you make a real gain after claiming expenses and getting tax benefits then that’s fine but many of the deductions are based on depreciation which is simply effectively a deferred tax. Some properties are marketed to investors on the basis of tax deductions but close scrutiny reveals the flaws.

    Financial independence utlimately requires cashflow on a passive income basis and so properties that produce cashflow meet that requirement while those that don’t move you further away from your goal. Capital gains are great but unpredictable. There are still CF+ investments to be made but at any given time they may involve residential properties or commercial properties or shares.

    Best of luck in your endeavours.

    pr

    Profile photo of kenkoh2000kenkoh2000
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    Originally posted by dkram:

    Thank you everyone for ur time.
    Dear Kenneth,
    My property investing goals: I want financial independence. I want to own a couple of residential IPs.
    I want to buy and hold them for sometime. Probably till I am still working as a IT consultant (that maybe for next 10 to 15 years).
    I want to reduce the tax I am paying. Our combined income in about $180K per year and we are paying a lot of tax. I want to gear against something.
    I don’t want to just to sit down and expect things to happen.
    I want to do something about my future and kids future while I am still young healthy and working.

    I know I can borrow a good amount of money from the bank but I don’t know how much to spend on one IP.

    Thanks for your help.

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    Dear Dkram,

    1. Good attempt in trying in define your own investng goals though they are still quite “vague and fuzzy” to me, aty this point in time.

    2. However, I do hear you and your investing intentions, quite clearly.

    3. I understand that you are Melbourne-based, right? So can I humbly suggest you contact Michael Yardney of Metropole Properties directly at TEL:03-9532-8889 instead and request a meeting with him to further discuss in details your present situation.

    4. Please be informed that Michael is also a member of this forum. Michael is a highly experienced property investor cum developer himself and a very helpful guy. Thus, I have no doubt that he can best advise you how to go about investing profitably to achieve your own financial goals.

    5. As for myself, I am a full-time property investor from Singapore. As I am normally based in Perth, though I do also travel to Melbourne, Brisbane, Goldcoast, Cairns and NZ from time to time.

    6. Thus for expediency sake, I am recommending you to contact Michael directly in Melbourne instead;- though definitely I will also be more than happy to sit down with you in person to further discuss your situation in details, myself, should you so prefer.

    7. I will also strongly encourage you to invest in your own self-education and other property investment education/financial literacy related education first as part of your own self-development to achieve your own financial goals in the near future.

    8. My email address is at [email protected]. My residential telephone/fax number in Perth is 08-93411236. I will be flying into Perth tommorrow evening on 7th Sep 2005 and will probably be there till the end of this month.

    9. Please feel free to contact me directly in Perth when the need arises.

    10. For your kind update,please.

    11. Thank you

    regards,
    Kenneth KOH

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