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  • Profile photo of Property PassionProperty Passion
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    Hey all im going to build a unit in my backyard, firt time im doing this and was wondering what i should ask my local council when i go see them on Monday.

    Are there any questions i sould make sure to ask them ?
    What should i take with me ?

    If you have been through this process before, id really like to hear from you

    cheers[biggrin]

    Profile photo of Property PassionProperty Passion
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    maybe this is a silly question ?[blush2][blush2]

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    I’d suggest you download council development requirements from your council’s website and go through it before talking to them. Anything you don’t understand in the document, or that specifies something different to what you want, ask about.

    A few things to check: how long it usually takes to receive development approval if all goes okay; how much distance must be left between new structures and your neighbours border/buildings; regulations on shadow lines; building footprint to undeveloped land ratio; etc.

    Profile photo of grossrealisationgrossrealisation
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    hi property passion
    pick a local architect he should be able to organise most of the council requirements as long as be works in that area.
    if its in sydney I can give you a few I work with

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    About time I give you a call, I will try to call you today at some time.

    Cheers Rick

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    Love to know how you went with it today, I’ve been thinking of doing the same thing, although 4 local architects in the area don’t know how to return calls.

    Roy H.
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    You’ll need to get their DCP (Development Control Plan) to find out what you are and aren’t allowed to build. You’ll also need to find out about Floor space ratios (how much land to buildings) you’re allowed, where on the land you can build, how close to boundaries etc and what materials you can use.

    Make an appointment to see a Planner at the council and they should be able to help however you will need to go to them with some idea of what you’re trying to do before they can give you any concrete advice.

    Megan

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    Profile photo of Property PassionProperty Passion
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    ok so i went to the local council and learnt a few things, firstly i need to finds a draftperson to design me a unit. Secondly, the lady at the desk told me that the council is currentl rejecting and applications for double story units in back yards, which is a shame because thats what i was planning. In regards to design and costs, id imagine the architect would be able to give me a good indication of where im at and what i can do.

    Now to find a designer that has worked in my area!

    cheers[thumbsupanim]

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    Good Work!

    Good luck with it all, my expereince in that is they don’t return phone calls in my area, although I really hope you have better luck.

    Roy H.
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    hi all
    first don’t use a draftsman use an architect i’m not going to explain the difference but its the difference between the tradesman and the labourer both can do the job just one is usually a little better at it.
    second don’t ask receptionist what you can get on this site, the only thing I ask receptionist to do is to put me thru to the planner.
    Third if you have problem getting to talk to architect in your local area, is do one of two things try try and try again or tell them that its a possible 20 unit development site you will get a call back on that one straight away.

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    Profile photo of Property PassionProperty Passion
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    i got in touch with a few architects that i will be meeting on Monday, i guess i will tell them what i want done and see what costs i will be up for during the process. One has already mentioned that it could take about 6 months to have the permits approved.
    Ive asked them to bring some other units they have done in the past just to get an idea of what type of work they are capable of

    i will keep you posted [biggrin]

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    hi Property Passion
    were is it.
    I usually take a unit development 6 month not a unit.
    If in nsw they are required to tell you within 3 weeks and max 3 months.
    first see what the drawer says(i told you I don’t degrade people).
    Them put in the da
    when they advertise they say who the planner is remember his name(very important and if its a funny greek or italian name write it down and go to a greek or italian shop and practice until you get his name right and they say its right) he’s your new friend and as a friend go down to the council introduce who you are give him land line, mobile, fax numbers, see if any issues and address there and then.
    If you have to ring who ever do it there and then show him you are in charge, and if any issue you are there for him to ring you and only you.
    If complaints same thing ask does he need you to attend when he meets the neighbours he will say no because he has to but stress to him you would like to clear any issues and how long will it take.
    If he wants a round balcony and yours is square you’ve got round balconies, if you want it out quick.
    This may seem extreme but I have dealt with lots of councils and they think there gods so if you want the god to give you your da or cc you have to play there game.
    I have had to sit in a council for 7 hours after my alloted appointment which had been organised and confirmed 2 days earlier to make this point.
    This week alone I have been to 4 appointments with plannerS that they have not turned up because they are sick and told nobody.
    so as I say welcolme to the land of developing.
    have fun I do

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    gross i know i can learn a lot from you, you seem a “straight down the line” type of person. I like this approch, like you i feel that if this approch is not taken things dont get done. Im a little confused about your reply to my post.

    When will i find out who the planner is ? Might it be when i make the application for the unit ?

    Do you suggest i send the unit application in myself? i remember someone on the forum telling me to take the architect out of the mix.

    do you think this is the correct approch ?

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    “Secondly, the lady at the desk told me that the council is currentl rejecting and applications for double story units in back yards, which is a shame because thats what i was planning.”

    Currently? What does “currently” mean. Double storey units in back yards are either acceptable under the current development plan or they aren’t. If they are not accepting applications because a new development plan has just been implemented which precludes double storeys in back yards, that is one thing. But if the council just has decided that there will be moratorium on double storey units without being specified in the Plan then you should ask lots more questions and take the matter further.

    God I love a stoush! My epitaph will be ” if you don’t like the answer, appeal it”.

    Cheers all

    K

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    hi Property Passion
    why take the architect out of the equation he’s not charging you to put it in and the council will want to talk to him any way.
    As for finding the planner you can’t as its allocated with in council they wouldn’t have a clue.
    hay I can’t get the planner I want so what chance do you have.
    Its random.
    I make it number 1 that I get to meet each and every new planner and try to go to council meetings to find out if new appointment have been made so when they get one of my applications they put a face to the name.
    If this is your first time at this, don’t kick out the drawer he’s your best help and he should know the council,
    If the planner says who should I talk to if any problems thats when you step into the breach and put your hand up but let the drawer know this from the start.
    I like to make very clear lines to people, were I and what I run and they know were they stand from the start.

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    Right!!! as a fully qualified town planner – no more planner bashing!

    First:
    Is your proposal permissible in the land use zone?

    This is the fundamental point. You need to find out what you are and aren’t allowed to do on the land. I assume that you are in a medium or high density residential zone and already know that you can build a unit/units/town house/villa/residential flat building/medium density development/granny flat (just some of the many names for units).

    Second:
    Find out what the design restrictions are for the type of development you are proposing. By design restrictions I mean permissible gross floor area (GFA), maximum density, private and public landscaped openspace, car parking numbers, side boundary set backs, design appearance, heritage issues and the list goes on. A good planner will point you in the right direction for where all the relevant controls are located (or hidden!) within the Council’s planning controls.

    Third:
    Armed with a good idea of what Council requires you can design a development that meets Council’s controls and objectives and you will have a smoother process ahead of you. If you have tried to fit say, 6 units on the block and the controls only permit 3 then good luck!

    Four:
    Get yourself a good designer to do your plans. I have seen great plans by draftspersons and dodgy plans by architects and vice versa so it doesn’t really matter. The plans need to be clear and professional and you should also provide a brief report that outlines the key features of the development and discuss how it addresses all of the Council requirements. Council planners love this because it makes their job easier and they will appreciate the effort. A lot of Councils require this report anyway but try and make it as detailed as possible.

    Five:
    Someone said once you have submitted your development application hassle the planner a lot. This is kind of true. The reason some approvals take as long as six months is that there is a dramatic shortage of planners (in NSW anyway – don’t know about other states) and the work load is high. Sometimes a bit of hassling can help.

    There a lot of other things in the development process that I have missed out on in this brief discussion but this should give a bit of an insight from the ‘other side’. If I’ve made it a bit basic and you know it all sorry to offend!

    If you have further questions – email me. I have a small town planning business providing basic town planning services.

    Enelson

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    hi Property Passion
    There you go that’ll help.
    I use external town planners to check my da before they go in.
    You would do well to have a chat with nelsons and if he charges a arm and a leg we can go back to bashing planners.
    Only joke I may have to deal with nelsons one day

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    oh Property Passion
    have a read of my reply post to how far can i go
    (I think)it make interest reading

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    Profile photo of NelsonsNelsons
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    She! Nelsons is a she! geez guys!

    Another reason the approval process takes so long is that sometimes the submitted application is so dodgy and insufficient that the planner/building surveyor/engineer cannot do an adequate assessment. We then have to go back and forth between the developer and ourselves a hundred times just so we can get all the necessary information. So, yes I believe that, especially for larger developments, it pays to get the services of a planning consultant or architect (although sometimes the architects miss a few of the finer planning details) on board. Not that I am pushing a barrow or anything here…….

    Enelson

    Profile photo of Property PassionProperty Passion
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    thanks for the advice guys. im quite excited about meeting the architects tomorrow[biggrin]
    its just the beggining but at least i have the ball rolling now

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