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    Just wanted to share a little debate in our house at the moment. Do we need television and media?

    I vote NO! I have not turned on the TV to watch anything for the past 15 years, why? Because every role model I have ever had in my life, every successfull person that I come across that I think, “gee I would love to be like them” Whether they are property investors, in the sharemarket, medical research etc, all have one thing in common:

    THEY DONT HAVE TELEVISION IN THEIR HOMES.

    We trialed a no TV period for 3 years at home, and I could tell you that the quality of our family life had improved. But, because kids want to watch “wiggles videos” and we want to watch our “Dolf De Roos” etc, investing videos, we ran out and purchased one. Bad mistake!!!!

    Kids are not allowed to watch anything commercialised (only videos) has anyone noticed the subtle violence and sexual references in commercials played during kids TV programs?

    I do not ever turn it on for myself, it frustrates me, my husband on the other hand, although he tries hard, he can’t seem to know that there is one there without turning it on every now and then to see whats on!!!

    The news is the worst thing to watch, its so sensationalized and makes us want to judge people we dont even know. It reminds me of people stoping to “LOOK” at car accidents.

    Everyone has an oppinion on Sharpelle Corby and I found it disgraceful that the court case was televised. Guilty or not, its her life, her problem, unless you can help directly, stay out of her affairs, what is the use of sitting there watching and then forming an opinion based on sensationalised journalism? Do we know this person?

    I think TV watching is inversely proportional to success in life. The more you watch, the less time you have to fulfill your dreams and the less successful you are.

    What do others think?

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    Hi Dr.X,
    This is only my personal values on having a TV. I personally don’t own one, but I do have access to one if I wish to watch an SBS/ABC doco. As I’ve stated in one other previous post, I mentioned ‘watching commercial TV is akin to brushing black paint over your eye balls. It doesn’t teach you to think for yourselves.’I also don’t know how people can find the time to watch TV? This post also relates to your previous one actually. A couple I know view me as ‘time selfish’ because I choose to spend my time allocated to property/investing, reading, Indy cinema, etc.(and perhaps they are right?) Sometimes I’m guilty of not wanting to go around to see them, because it invariably ends up with the 3 of us having to remain quiet because they are focused on the TV. There’s no real communication between us occuring. When I once questioned why they choose to watch so much TV at the end of the day (as they are struggling financially) they told me it’s there way of ‘unwinding’. I realise I was being obnoxious, but suggested why not read a book (Wilde, Shakespeare, “Kiyosaki”, whatever?) or go see a movie, Indy documentary/film, etc? In other words I was perhaps rudely suggesting that they can choose to become more of an actor in life, rather than being a (passive) ‘reactor’ in life by living vicariously via the TV.
    I’m also in agreeance as to TV’s negative aspects on children. However one thing I wish to mention is from hindsight. When I was 16 at school I went out with this (might I add gorgeous!) girlfriend. Her parents wouldn’t allow having a TV in their home (fairly progressive thinking upon her parent’s part for the time!). One thing I did pick up on though, was that many of our peer cultural conversations/jokes at school related from the medium of TV. As a result, my girlfriend often felt a little left out from her peers and slightly ‘socially isolated’ from our peer group ‘at the time.’ Ironically, I could imagine those very ‘peers today’ are IMHO the ones who are truly ‘socially’ isolated! Perhaps her parent’s wisdom in the long run, offset any social peer distance that she may have felt as an adolescent. Perhaps the answer may be in institutionalising the use TV in the house hold. I also realise that this may be a lot easier in theory than in practise. I guess it’s up to us as responsible adults, to try and find a sensible balance.

    As Othello said in Shakespeare;
    ‘It makes us, or it mars us, think on that.’

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    The best thing on the tv is the OFF switch !!!

    Personally feel my kids watch way too much…. When we move back to Australia next month, I’m going to start restricting it heavily……

    Newspapers aren’t much better when it comes to objective reporting……

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    Interesting Gatsby!
    I agree, it is akin to painting your eyeballs. Infact, there have been scientific studies showing a greater brain activity when people stare at a brick wall than watching TV!

    You don’t have to be socially isolated by not watching the crap others watch.
    I don’t watch TV ever, but I find that I am not really a social outcast. News and current affairs are presented in such an abstract way, that you can pick up the whole story in a couple of seconds from overhearing people talking. Its like an infection, its in the community, it just comes to you whether you waste your time on it or not.

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    Hi
    Well I will be the odd one out here.I like nothing more than to put a movie,dvd or video on and get totally lost in it.Especially if I’m having a bad day.It really relaxes me.
    Lisa[biggrin][biggrin]

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    i must agree that watching commercial tv is akin to having your nuts placed into a vice and then haivng them slowly crushed whilst listening to the best of celine dion and michael bolton….however i have had foxtel for just over a year and i love nothing more than watching a great doco on the many discovery type channels available..as well as a good movie every now and then it can be a good break from a screaming 6month old!!!!

    Cheers

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    Dr. X,

    Amen to that!

    I thought I was an exception to the rule in that I detest commercial television. I do love home theatre though as a bit of escapism, so I’m with Turboz on that one. They can be a bit violent of course, but as yet I don’t have any kids and I’m grown up enough to see them as pure entertainment.

    And to think that some people actually pay for television!!! Quite a few of my neighbours actually pay for Fox or some other provider. To me this is totally insane…

    About all I watch on the box is the odd spot of science fiction and the ABC news. And I tape the Sci Fi so i can fast forward the ads.

    You’re not alone,
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    Hi All,

    I have not bought a newspaper in over 15-years.

    I get all my info/news via the alternative Internet sites.

    I do watch commercial television for a couple of hours in the evening (selective programs) (certainly NO reality TV) and when I do watch the ‘news’ programs I find it fascianting that stuff that I became aware of via the Internet anything from 2-days to 7-days previously is spouted as the ‘latest news’.

    On the subject of pay TV we tried Austar for a while, but 10-months into a 2-year contract I cancelled the subscription because of the overwhelming US bias and propaganda that was presented, even on the history and national geographic channels.

    Austra were astounded that I was prepared to spend $250 on the early pay-out clause to get rid of their service.

    Cheers, Nobleone. [biggrin]

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    I am going to have to put in a vote for the negative here.

    Although I agree that most commercial programmes are complete waste of time and an insult to most peoples intelligence, there are some very good shows out there. I much prefer the ABC and SBS over commercial stations, not for the docos but more for the comedy. Yes, it is escapism but like most things, comes down to moderation and self control.

    If the first thing you do when you get home is flick on the box and keep it going till you go to bed, then you probably have a problem. If you watch it for selected programmes that are of interest, I don’t see it as an issue.

    I read a lot of books which I also consider to be escapism. Granted, you have to use your grey matter to visualise but ultimately there is no debate or conversation and you are visualising someone elses ideas.

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    Interesting topic! We have a great variety of opinions on these forum boards- from people who detest TV to people who offer their tenants a plasma TV as a way to increase the rent of their property.

    I must admit that I do like watching some TV programs, from documentaries to ‘crap’. Not everything I do NEEDS to be educational or stimulating.
    If I want to vege out in front of the TV and watch something others would call ‘crap’, I ‘let’ myself without having to feel guilty.

    I have not restricted my children from watching TV nor do I set a limit- but amazingly enough they really watch little TV. I think kids/teenagers need to find out for themselves what is good material to watch and what is not. I think that they have become very good judges of what is crap or not.
    I like to be fairly relaxed about things.

    When the kids were little, I always had a lot of activities ‘on offer’ such as art/craft, reading, or outdoors activities. I think that if life away from TV is interesting enough for kids, then they will automatically choose to limit their own time in front of the box.

    Celivia

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    Interesting comments, I think there is alot of difference between someone watching TV as a form of enertainment and escapism (personally I don’t enjoy it, Im too hyperactive to sit still), and someone (the average citizen) watching TV because they think they are going to learn something!!

    I just meet way too many people who’s only knowledge comes from watching the idiot box. Too many people have no idea about anything, whether it be their own financial situation or what they should be eating. They do things, buy things make descisions because the TV told them to.

    First there was religious dogma, then there was televison. When are people going to wake up, start questioning instead of accepting all recieved information and start thinking for themselves?

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    Originally posted by Dr.X:

    When are people going to wake up, start questioning instead of accepting all recieved information and start thinking for themselves?

    A: Never. Ever read “The Richest Man in Babylon”? People have known how to create wealth for 8,000 years, why are we going to start listening now? And if you think TV is bad, what about anonymous forum posts? I can defame whoever I like and never have to prove anything, and then all of a sudden disappear into cyberspace. I can’t really see Peter Hitchener (or Derren Hinch) doing the same thing…

    R

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    Good Point!

    Although some of us on this forum are not that anonymous.

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    Originally posted by Dr.X:

    Just wanted to share a little debate in our house at the moment. Do we need television and media?

    I vote NO!

    Dr.X, just out of interest, (because I love these little debates my family, too, sometimes have) we have heard your side of the debate that’s going on in your house, but I am curious to know what is being said on the other side of the debate.

    I respect your points against TV watching, but what’rebuts’ have your family members come up with? Wanna tell?

    Just asking because you do not all seem to agree or you wouldn’t have spoken of a debate.

    So TV can be:

    [biggrin]Escapism

    [biggrin]Good entertainment without having ot go out of the house.

    [biggrin]It’s free (unless people have pay TV)

    [biggrin]Relaxes people.(Some people relax best when they can be braindead for a while) :))

    [biggrin]There are educational programs and documentaries that are interesting or fun to watch.

    [biggrin]Gives people something to watch while doing other things, like knitting or peeling potatoes.

    I’m sure there are some TV lovers here who can make some fun points to add to this debate?????[biggrin]

    Celivia

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    I love television. In fact, I don’t know anyone who doesn’t have one.

    We have two televisions, one we all watch (mostly) and one the boys use mostly for gaming. We will not allow the boys to have a tv or computer in their rooms.

    We pay $65 a month for Optus and while I’d like to save the $65, I don’t watch any free to air TV (except ABC and sometimes SBS). I detest commercials and if we do watch commercial or if the boys are watching commercial tv, we make them mute the ads. They, of course, think we are crazy.

    We love Optus. Of course, with the Optus gold comes the Optus crap, but until they let me chose exactly what I watch, I am stuck with what is in the particular package.

    This year for the first time, I restricted TV (and anything electronic) for my kids on school day afternoons. They hated it at first and tried to make me suffer, but they got used to it. Oldest boy is in grade 11, middle in grade 8, youngest in grade 4.

    We had new neighbours and for the first time, my boys have boys their own age (oldest two anyway) to spend time with. These boys are allowed to watch half an hour at night and they study a lot more than my boys (apparently). One parent is a teacher.

    Both sets of parents decided to let the boys play after school this year (but not electronics or tv). They had not had boys their age to play with until they moved here.

    My observations of the six months is that instead of being couch potatoes from the time they got home, they did do other things, shoot hoops, bike riding. They did no more homework than normal. They just used the time not in front of the tv doing other things. I would have preferred more school work, but am happy with things as they are. My boys are above average students anyway and I’m not going to stand behind them with a whip.

    I’ve told the two in highschool that we are very happy to pay for their education, but that if they do not do enough work to get into the university course they want (if indeed they choose to go to uni) and they have to do an external study course to increse by OP enough to get in, that will be their cost.

    Having said that, we plan to fund any study they undertake after high school as long as they live by our rules, respect us and their brothers and work hard enough to pass the exams.

    I’d like to think they will finish their studies without a huge HECS bill, but I also expect them to get a part time job.

    This has gone off on a bit of a tangent, but it does follow on from the television debate. We have had some great fun evenings without the television, but we have also had some shockers.

    Five big personalities all trying to play Monopoly or Donkey can be fun, but it can also be frustrating and bring out the worst in us all, depending on everyone’s mood.

    Just my thoughts, Wylie.

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    To each, his or her own.

    I watch ABC and SBS news most nights and watch Business Sunday and Alan Kohler’s business program on ABC on Sundays. Sometimes, I also watch documentaries like 4 Corners, The Cutting Edge, Foreign Correspondent and 60 minutes (depending on the issues – not the celebrities caption which I ignore and no, I did not follow the Corby trial – not interested at all).

    I also enjoy watching a movie, for entertainment, usually on DVD some weekends.

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    On the subjest of TV, what do people think of when actors/celebrities flog a product in a commercial and the product goes belly up? Do you think that the celebrity et al, have a moral/professional obligation for putting there ‘credibility/name’ behind the product and therefore should hold some accountability to those who end up dudded?
    Cheers,
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