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  • Profile photo of pgoldfinchpgoldfinch
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    I have an investment property bought for 230K (18 months ago), I have spent ~20K getting a DA for 8 units (architecturally designed), and was wondering how much the DA will add to the selling price of the development property?

    Interestingly I have noted a property on the same block, very close in size being listed at $330K. It even states that other properties have approved DAs.

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    Profile photo of colbert1982colbert1982
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    How long is a piece of string mate? Your guess is as good as mine. It would be best to disucss the matter with local real estate agents, firstly without advising them of the planning approval for 8 units and see what they value you land at.

    Then spring it on them that you have a planning approval for 8 units also, see what the increases are and decide if it is profitable to go ahead with the construction works or sell the property with the relevant approvals.

    It may be vaible to discuss this matter with thebuildingsurveyor on this site to get an understanding of the building control and requirements. Usually having building approval documments also will increase value. Just ensure that your area is adeqaute for wind loading. Pay close attention to loading of plaster board as i have come unstuck in a recent development where i had 7mm plaster board installed when laoding requirements required 11mm.

    Be careful and consider everything.

    Cheers

    Profile photo of pgoldfinchpgoldfinch
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    Thanks for that colbert!

    We are going to sell and have heard a ‘formula’ for investment property developing which goes:
    1/3 Purchase, Designs and DA approval.
    1/3 Development
    1/3 Profit

    ie if your total sale of all 8 units = $2.4m then it should cost 800K for the first step, 800K to develop and then your return should be roughly 800K… how does this sound to everyone?

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    Profile photo of Sailesh ChannanSailesh Channan
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    I somehow dont think this rough guide works with this type of development. I have heard people using this method for land development.

    If this method was true for this unit then $800k for the site would be a bargain.

    Depending on the type of units you are building your construction costs will start at around $1200 persqm. If it is a walk up type construction then your costs will be far greater.

    Therefore construction will be the greatest component of your cost base.

    The best guide on the value of your Da approved site is to look at what comparable sites are selling for.

    Regards,

    Sailesh Channan

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    Profile photo of MyydralMyydral
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    What’s DA?

    “Looking forward to the day when I can tell the boss where to go”

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    Myydral,

    DA = Dont Argue

    Cheers

    Profile photo of pgoldfinchpgoldfinch
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    Thanks Sailesh.

    This has been helpful in getting myhead around the ‘development game’.

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    Profile photo of MichaelYardneyMichaelYardney
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    Originally posted by pgoldfinch:

    Thanks for that colbert!

    We are going to sell and have heard a ‘formula’ for investment property developing which goes:
    1/3 Purchase, Designs and DA approval.
    1/3 Development
    1/3 Profit

    ie if your total sale of all 8 units = $2.4m then it should cost 800K for the first step, 800K to develop and then your return should be roughly 800K… how does this sound to everyone?

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    As Sailesh explained, this formula is not how a developer works out what land is worth.

    To get a “residual land value”you must work out the end value of the project.

    Then subtract all costs of constructing the project including holding costs and consultants costs.

    Allow a profit margin taking in to account the risk invloved and subtract this amount.

    What you are left with is the maximum a developer would pay

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    Profile photo of archiZEN98archiZEN98
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    Like most things in Real Estate, what a developer will pay is what the current market will bear.

    With the DA in place, the Developer will probably reduce the often quoted 20% margin, he will require.

    I’ve heard that as the risk is reduced with a DA in place, as low as a 15% return may be acceptable – depending on other factors, including current market conditions, etc

    Regards
    archiZEN

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    Not many developers would be interested in a 15% return, more like 25%+. That is with approvals.

    Profile photo of pgoldfinchpgoldfinch
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    Thanks everyone. Your words of wisdom are being gathered and put to good use [biggrin]

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    I agree when you are taking these risks get as much as you can.

    “Greed is Good”!

    As someone who is just starting out, can I ask how do you get development sites, when the general public, not to mention RE Agents, also know of the oft-quoted 20% margins developers expect, and price their properties accordingly?

    Thanks

    Beauty is in the Detail

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    I too would like to know what DA is. Anyone out there with a helpful answer?

    [biggrin]

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    I say again – What is DA?

    “Looking forward to the day when I can tell the boss where to go”

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    DA = Development Approval

    ie. Gathering all the paperwork necessary ( from the council etc) to allow you to build. eg. planning permit
    Plenty of costs involved to surveyors, council, architects etc.

    Just my basic understanding.

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    Sorry guys for the silly answer, i thought you guys were joking when you said you did now know what a DA was.

    And thanks to Goldfinger for giving them the correct answer.

    Sorry guys.

    Godfinger, Any luck getting in contact with thebuildingsurveyor? He will become very useful to you if you pick his brains. Great guy.

    Cheers

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    Colbert I dont know you and dont want to.
    In colberts case DA = Dumb A***hole

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    If you have ever been involved with the development of income property then you may have heard this dictum: One can describe virtually any development project as…

    a use looking for a site or

    a site looking for a use.

    Out of this ying and yang school of development arose two classic techniques to assess feasibility: The Back Door and the Front Door approaches.

    Let’s first take a look at the Back Door Approach.

    You might employ the Back Door approach if you have a use looking for a site. You know what you want to build and can reasonably estimate the kind of rental revenue it can generate. The question for you as the developer is, “Will that revenue be sufficient to justify the cost of development?”

    Presumably, this technique is called “back door” because you’ll back into the maximum project cost that the use will support. Then, like Hamlet examining Yorick’s skull, you’ll ponder it until you decide if you can actually do the deal. In short, if your intended use will support a project that costs $x and no more, you must decide if you can you develop it for those $x.

    To do the math, start by determining the extent of rentable square footage that you can build on this parcel. Obviously you need to take into consideration issues such as lot coverage, height restrictions, floor area ratios, parking requirements and so on to determine what is permissible as well as possible. Depending on the complexity of the use, you might then simply multiply the total rentable square feet by the average rental rate or you may need to create a proposed rent roll on a space-by-space basis. In any event, your first step here is to establish an estimate of the project’s Gross Scheduled Income.

    From this point, you work through the numbers. From the Gross Scheduled Income you subtract a Vacancy and Credit Allowance. That gives you the Gross Operating Income (or Effective Gross Income, as some prefer to call it). Next you subtract all operating expenses, which leaves you with the property’s expected Net Operating Income.

    From here you want to establish the maximum loan amount that the NOI can support. If you want to take the quick route you can download the free real estate calculator program we provide at realdata.com and use the section called, of all things, “Maximum Loan Supported by Property Income.” If you’re a rugged individualist, you can also do the math yourself: Divide the NOI by the lender’s required Debt Coverage Ratio; then divide again by the annualized mortgage constant (which is 12 times the monthly payment amount for a $1 loan at the interest rate and term that the lender will provide).

    Now you know the maximum loan that this project can support. The Loan-to-Value ratio should define the relationship of this loan amount to the maximum value of the whole package. So, divide by the lender’s maximum Loan-to-Value percentage and you’ll have the Maximum Total Project Cost. Put it all together and it looks like this:

    Total Rentable Square Feet x Average Rental Rate

    = Gross Scheduled Income

    – Vacancy and Credit Allowance

    = Gross Operating Income

    – Operating Expenses

    = Net Operating Income

    = Maximum Total Project Cost

    To put this more succinctly, you started with the gross rent, pared that down to a NOI, found the maximum loan the NOI could support and then applied a Loan-to-Value ratio to reach the Maximum Total Project Cost.

    The next step in assessing the feasibility requires you to pick apart that total project cost. The total is made up of three parts: Hard costs, soft costs and land. You know what you’re planning to build, so you can figure the first two:

    the hard costs, which include primarily construction but also items such as civil/mechanical utilities and environmental remediation;

    the soft costs, such as architectural and engineering, loan fees and interest, appraisal, legal fees, permits and zoning-relating costs.

    The hard costs and soft costs combine to represent everything in this project except the value of the land. So, if you subtract those hard and soft costs from the Maximum Total Project Cost, what’s left is this: the maximum value of the land for you to be able to consider this project feasible.

    Keep in mind that if you already own the land, it’s the land’s current market value not its purchase price that you want to consider. If the land is worth more or costs more to buy than this maximum value you just calculated, then according to the Back Door approach the deal is not feasible.

    Maximum Total Project Cost

    – Project Hard Costs

    – Project Soft Costs

    = Maximum Site Cost or Value

    Example:

    You propose to build an income property with 2025 rentable square meters. The average rental rate will be $20 per square metre. You provide a 10% allowance for vacancy and credit loss and expect operating expenses to total $44,000 per year.

    Your lender will provide financing at 8% for 240 months and requires Debt Coverage Ratio no less than 1.2 and a Loan-to-Value Ratio no greater than 80%. What is the Maximum Total Project Cost?

    You estimate Hard Costs to be $2,430,000 and Soft Costs to be $625,000

    You own the land, which has a current market value of $750,000. Does it seem feasible to build the project on this site?

    Start with the Gross Income and work your way through the model above:

    2025 Total Rentable Square Feet x 20.00 Average Rental Rate

    = 405,000 Gross Scheduled Income

    – 10% Vacancy and Credit Allowance

    = 364,500 Gross Operating Income

    – 44,000 Operating Expenses

    = 320,500 Net Operating Income

    = 3,326,142 Maximum Total Project Cost

    If your lender requires that you have enough Net Operating Income to cover 1.2 times the debt service (i.e. 1.2 Debt Coverage Ratio) then your NOI of 320,500 can justify annual debt payments up to $267,083.

    Given your lender’s financing terms (expressed in the Mortgage Constant), the mortgage can support a mortgage of $2,660,913.

    If the Loan-to-Value ratio is 80%, that $2.6 million represents 80% of the project’s value; so 100% of its value equals $3,326,142.

    What will it cost you to build, not counting the land? Your combined Hard Costs and Soft Costs total $3,055,000. If the Maximum Total Project Cost that the income stream can support – in other words, if the most you should spend on the complete package, given the potential rental income – is $3,326,142 and the cost of physical construction is $3,055,000, then the difference of $271,142 is the most that you can justify spending on the land. But the land is really worth $750,000. So it appears that it won’t make sense for you to build this project on this site. The cost of physical construction plus the value of the land are greater than the rent can support.

    For those of you familiar with RealData’s Commercial / Industrial Development software, that program uses some of the back-door rationale while adding a few twists of its own. You can indeed let the program back you into the maximum development loan, but our experience is that developers are interested in projects that are profitable, not just feasible, so you can work with other considerations in that program to guide your project model.
    Hope this helps mike

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    Michael Jackson … what planet were you born on … too much information, on the other hand do you want a job?

    The secret to making money in developing or selling a DA approved project falls into two catagories;

    Good luck and good timing = a profit

    Resiwealth – author,developer,builder,wealth4women, coming soon

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