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  • Profile photo of Tony100Tony100
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    First time I’ve used this (or any) forum so please excuse me if I’ve done anything wrong.

    I am looking at getting into positive cashflow properties and am not sure whether to go with commercial properties or low-cost rural properties. I have read two of Steve’s books but it occurs to me that having, say, 40 low-cost properties might not be that passive. I might well be wrong on this. On the otherhand, with commercial properties you have the risk of long vacancy periods. I know that investment choices depend on an individual’s circumstances but I would be very grateful for any advise anyone can provide. I have lots of time (I am currently doing two small duplex developments)and drive but just need some help with my direction.

    Thanks in advance.

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    Tony100, you have outlined the downsides to resi and commercial quite well. The main reason people don’t invest in commercial is due to high upfront $$$ required. One can get 95% Loan to Value Ratio for Resi, but as a minimum you usually have to put up 30% deposit for Commercial properties, and in fact usually more!

    If you have the money for adeposit, you can do quite well with commercial.

    FFComm

    Profile photo of Mortgage HunterMortgage Hunter
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    Some investors cut their teeth in residential then move up to commercial when they have some experience and capital behind them.

    I am looking for my firat comemrcial investment currently and am enjoying reading anyones experience ad advice about them.

    Cheers,

    Simon Macks
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    Profile photo of Alistair PerryAlistair Perry
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    I have a number of clients that have done very well out of commercial property. My experience with them is that they do a lot of work upfront, in terms of due diligence and ensuring they have tennants before they will spend anything.

    In short, it requires more work upfront, more money and more skill, but the potential rewards are certainly there.

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    Alistair

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    Be careful of buying low cost country properties.

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    Comm vs Res ??

    No comparison, the former wins hands down.

    Have a squiz at some of my earlier posts on this subject.

    I can remember my wife’s uncle some years back…when we were gung-ho on houses saying

    “When you’ve finished mucking around with those and wish to get serious, have a look at Commercial…”

    I suppose that was his way of saying, get some capital and experience behind you. It was the tip of the iceberg for us.

    I wish older men would enunciate themselves more clearly though…without all the bluff and semantics. They sometimes uncover diamonds for you, but unless you can recognise that tip of the wealth iceberg, you’ll sail straight past it.

    Cheers,

    Dazzling

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    Profile photo of Tony100Tony100
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    Many thanks to all who replied. I obviuosly have a lot of research to do and your comments were appreciated.

    Kind regards,
    Tony

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    When I thought about commercial. a very reputable commercial agent told me to only invest when I could afford property with National tenants. I’ve got freinds with small commercial and they are always looking for a tenant and have loooong vacancy periods. It’s because of the specialised layout and fittings not having a generic appeal, unlike a house or apartment.

    Why not keep doing the duplex thing, I believe it’s a better bet than low cost rural, it’s low cost for a reason.

    Profile photo of Tony100Tony100
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    Hi enduser,

    Thank you for the interesting comments on commercial property. I will continue to do duplex developments but feel I should get involved in another area of real estate incase values drop significantly more. I’m not saying I expect them to but I realize that I am somewhat vunerable right now. If values dropped another 18% I would make zip out of my projects. However if I had a significant net rental income I would be less concerned. For this reason I am looking at getting into positive cash flow properties, either commerical or residential. I have no experience with either so am still trying to work out which is more viable for me.

    Thanks agian.

    Kind regards,
    Tony

    Profile photo of IbuycashflowIbuycashflow
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    There’s a book by Martin Roth and Chris LAng titled “How Investing in Commercial Property Really Works”. It is well worth a read.

    I have found that the majority of serious property investors are involved in Commercial Property, residential is usually only a stepping stone.

    With commercial you need to be able to resolve problems and cater for the needs of your tenants. If the tenants can make money in their business, you will make money. It is extremely rewarding when a business thrives and the tenant asks you to extend the building for them to accommodate their growth.

    Cheers
    Jeff

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