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  • Profile photo of wealth4life.comwealth4life.com
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    Australian debt per head of population is amonst the worst in the world – why?

    Australian credit card debt is nearing 30 billion dollars – why ??

    More Australian PAYG earners lease cars than business owners – why ??

    Over 85% of Australians who enter into an interest free agreement refinance at the end of the term – why ??

    I can go on however my point is this, 80% of the people I talk to want to get ahead, but 98% of those don’t want to change their bad habbits – why ??

    How many people click onto this site and have nothing and are not willing to do something about it. Tony Robbins (motivator) says that we must take drastic action if we truely want to succeed.

    If you who are reading this want to be rich and happy and want to know how to get started, I am going to give you two (2) secrets to build fast wealth.

    1. Make a dailey list (detailed) of what you spend your money on for the next 30 days (bet you won’t). How often do you use your credit cards?. Do you make your own lunch or buy it out?. What are your total debts, car leases credit cards, phone accounts etc etc. THIS IS YOUR CURRENT SPENDING HABIT.

    2. Change the way you think about money, instead of spending try SAVING, if you don’t your bank account is a result of your financial philosophy. Take control its your future and your money.

    Some people are wise and other people are unwise. Lets hear from some new people on this, if you dare. If you make a study of successful people what would you see?? … regards always Phil

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    You want to know WHY? Here’s an editorial from today’s SMH that provides one explanation:

    Hangover awaits after years of extravagance

    Date: March 7 2005

    We are seeing the first signs of the pain that will follow a decade of greed, writes Clive Hamilton.

    In a previous era, when rich people found themselves in financial difficulty because they were living beyond their means, their plight attracted little sympathy. Today, when the affluent complain about having to repay mortgages taken out to fund extravagant lifestyles, it becomes a matter of public concern.

    Thus last week’s interest rate rise has sparked a chorus of whining from wealthy people who believe they deserve sympathy because life is tough.

    This newspaper carried the story of a 28-year-old with three properties whose interest bill will go up by $2125 a year after the 0.25 per cent rise in interest rates. That translates into mortgages of more than $1 million, yet he whinged about the “extra burden that young families don’t need” and how he will have to sacrifice the family holiday.

    It must be tough being a millionaire unable to afford a holiday.

    The papers are full of “ordinary families” saying that the rate rise will make things “that much more difficult”. How difficult is it to live on incomes that have been growing rapidly for more than a decade and are now unprecedented by historical or international standards?

    Another paper reported the sorry tale of a Rose Bay divorcee who has borrowed more than $600,000 to live in one of Sydney’s most exclusive suburbs and send her children to private schools and now complains that she won’t be able to shop in Rose Bay but will have to travel “to Maroubra or somewhere like that”. The ignominy of it.

    These people need a reality check. They borrowed huge amounts of money to fund profligate lifestyles and want sympathy now life has not turned out exactly as they hoped, even though everyone knew that interest rates would sooner or later rise.

    A survey last week found that 28 per cent of Australians with a mortgage said they’d have trouble making payments if rates rose by half a percentage point. Well, that means that 28 per cent of Australians with a mortgage are fools for entering into 25-year contracts while only thinking of the next few months.

    We are witnessing the first signs of the pain that will follow a decade of unprecedented greed and luxury fever in which large numbers of Australians have bet their futures in order to meet grossly inflated lifestyle expectations. They wanted it all and they wanted it straight away. This is illustrated by the fact that interest payments on household debt as a proportion of disposable income have now reached their highest level ever.

    This has occurred at a time when interest rates have never been lower and incomes have never been higher. The figure is even higher than it was when interest rates were 18 per cent under the Labor government.

    For the mortgage whingers this year’s “mortgage stress” is the flip side of last year’s self-indulgence. Ignorant of history and deaf to the warnings, too many believed that the asset-price party would go on forever and that their own position was impregnable. So what was inherently highly risky behaviour seemed safe; after all, everyone was doing it.

    The Howard Government has ridden the extraordinary debt binge to resounding political success and has been loath to spoil the party with the sobering advice and policy signals that any responsible government should have dispensed.

    As long as it was riding high, it was never going to warn the public that their overspending was unsustainable; that sooner or later spending more than you earn must be matched by earning more than you spend; that the price of one asset – houses – cannot get too far out of kilter with the price of other assets; and that capitalist economies have always been subject to business cycles, and always will be.

    The Government has profited from the financial illiteracy of great swathes of Australians blinded by the promise of instant wealth and egged on by tax rules that stimulated massive investment in rental property.

    But now the chickens are coming home to roost. For, despite growing incomes and wealth, the lifestyle aspirations and financial benchmarks Australians have set for themselves have grown faster still. As a result, while richer than ever, Australians actually feel more deprived than ever. For those locked in to this way of thinking the psychological impact of interest rate rises will be overwhelming. A recession is unthinkable, but likely nevertheless.

    The Government will be under intense pressure to bail out wealthy households in financial difficulty, and it will be the prudent who will be forced to pay for the mistakes of the reckless. This should be resisted at all costs. Not only would it be profoundly unfair, it would send a message to the imprudent that government will save them from their mistakes and they are free to repeat them.

    Clive Hamilton is executive director of The Australia Institute, a public interest think tank.

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    clive sounds on the money.

    i have a friend who earns 150k and is under financial stress. geez i feel sorry for the 98 pct of others earning less than him. doh!

    lots of people live like millionaires even though there net worth is negligable. a high salary doesnt make you rich. although it can make you very vulnerable to wanting to appear rich.

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    I have a friend who has a great saying …

    Heed the roar of the distant drums

    Phil

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    There is a lot of the population that have the “LIVE NOW, PAY LATER” attitude.

    And there are a lot people living the “CREDIT FUNDED DREAM LIFESTYLE” new cars, boats, furniture, latest electronic equipment and having the best holidays, using credit to fund it all.

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    Hi Resiwealth,

    Alot of the ideas you are talking about are in the millonaire next door series. I found them fascinating books to read for many reason. The most obvious was the way the data was collected. ie finding actual millionaires and asking them questions and following up with indepth questions in a focus group situation.
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    Some of the ideas floored me. Like the examples of a deca millionairs wife still clipping coupons to find the best available croceries at the best price.The others like each had never paid more than x dollars on average for a car, ring, watch etc.
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    There was also one about those with net worth over 10 mill buying their family home within x amount of time of a major stockmarket correction. ie at that end of the market the value of the homes has more to do with finding a buyer with cash than worrying about the general real estate cycle.
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    Can’t remember exactly but I think the point of the coupon clipping was to teach the value of the exercise to the kids in the family so they may learn these important skills. If you have not read these books I recommend you do it.
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    If you are the type that likes to listen in the car you can borrow my mp3 copies if you like. They are over 8hrs each in the unabridged version but well worth the listen.

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    Frugality can be fun when you get into it. I would much rather save a dollar than spend it. .
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    The reason is that option two gives me the freedom to spend it later on bigger and grander things or add it to the pool of investment capital and buy more houses.
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    However, being frugal is just part of the equation. It is vital that you invest in growth assets. I would not advocate one form over another but it must be something you understand very well and have a passion for.
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    Without understanding and passion it would be to easy to lose your way.
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    Good Luck.

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    What a brilliant article by Clive Hamilton! The thing I find amusing is that the very cause of rising interest rates is the irresponsible behaviour of such individuals!
    Cheers, F.[cowboy2]

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    phil

    great post. i live my life in part by the two rules you suggest. cut bad debt (whats a credit card????[confused2] and save like mad. friends and family come to me and ask how ive been so succesful in getting to where i am today like its some miracle [:(!] i usually tell them that its very simple to do what i am doing. get rid of your credit card, live within your means and make saving a priority. only then can one better themselves and improve their financial situation.

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    Oooh-yeah!

    It has taken 8 short years to convert my beautiful wife from “Learned $400! What can buy with it all” to “what is the budget”. It has been hard and at times very very nasty fights have erupted, but I have been able to show her what it can do and we have been able to put away nearly $500 each fortnight.

    We have also gone away from the big banks and have joined a credit union. They have this wonderful thing called a “Visa Access Card”. Like a key-card (eftpos card) it allows you to draw on the CR balance in your account only! And no fees ahahahahha – love it. Praise God that I have managed to NOT say: “I told you so!”, cos I think I’d be dead now……LOL.

    Last bastion of bad debt still to go is $1500 on old C/C and $13880 on old personal loan! Both will be finalised this year to $0!!!!! Despite investing.

    Cheers

    C@34

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    Hey Resi,

    It may be a simplistic view but really I guess the fundamentals of “making money” generally are, that is, people do it (make money) all the time; they sell stuff, or more everyday-ish, they go to work and MAKE money. No great mysteries there!!!

    The key IMO is not “how to make money” but once made “how to sustain wealth” that needs to be established. But this is a PESONAL thing, and it depends on “horses for courses” subjectivity, as it should. Nonetheless, there are some pretty interesting (to say the least) ways to do this; notions as unique as the individuals who conjure them up. [biggrin]

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    I agree Jo (Monopoly), it is not how much money you earn but what you do with it when you get it.

    When I was in London in the late 80’s I saw many traders, merchant bankers, computer programmers etc etc earning phenomenal money as employees and just blowing it – sports cars, overseas trips, expensive restaurants, gadgets and even gambling. For what they earned they had very little to show for it and without their jobs they would have had to undergo a drastic lifestyle change.

    As for credit cards, that’s a money management issue. If you can’t manage a credit card how can you expect to manage the rest of your finances. Become disciplined and make your money work for you.

    Cheers
    Jeff

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    Originally posted by calvin@thirty4:

    Last bastion of bad debt still to go is $1500 on old C/C and $13880 on old personal loan! Both will be finalised this year to $0!!!!! Despite investing.

    [thumbsupanim] for your progress!
    I would suggest that your best ‘investment’ would be to get rid of those debts. You’ll be hard pressed to safely find an asset returning 10-18% compounding this year.

    In relation to Resi’s questions WHY?
    I guess lack of financial literacy coupled with greed and the glorification of consumerism has lead to most Australians trading their future wealth for an ephemeral (and false) image of wealth in the present.
    Cheers, F[cowboy2]

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    originally posted by foundation:
    I would suggest that your best ‘investment’ would be to get rid of those debts. You’ll be hard pressed to safely find an asset returning 10-18% compounding this year.

    Cheers, my thoughts have been split (for want of a better word); I do want to focus on getting rid of these two debts ASAP and I guess doing it by using the saved $$ would be oneway of doing that quickly and successfully, but I also want to get some investments off the ground.
    I have found an investment that is CF+, which will cover the repayments on the IP, my PPOR and ~3% left (of the rental income) to cover anymaintenance issues. THe IP is less than 7 yrs old and I don’t anticipate any major repairs (could be my downfall!) but it would give me greater cashflow to pay off those debts at almost twice the current rate. That is where I’m comming from. I have spent a lot of time playing with the different scenarios. I don’t have to worry about PM as the company looking to lease them will deal with the tennant (their employee) and come to me once there is a structural issue that needs attention. As in, they pay for and get any minor repair done them selves to maintain the house as they have taken it on, as the minor damages are as a result of their employee. I had the rental agreement checked by a solicitor and he has given me no reason to doubt the companies intentions.
    Lets hope it all works out.

    Cheers

    C@34

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    Timely post.

    Have a client going out the back door. Draws down 150K per year and business has made 30K to 90K.
    AND we now have problems, ….who would have thought.

    Last year, owing ATO 100K, creditors 100K more than debtors, Overdraft maxed out, no equity left to borrow on house, bought 2 new 60k cars.
    Go figure.

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    Hi All,

    A great thread, and I agree with the general line – most people have NO idea about delayed gratification. I was in a whitegoods store yesterday, buying a microwave for my rental unit. Got the best price, then phoned around to better it. Saved myself $35.
    Anyway, the store was FILLED with people, and yes, many seemed focussed on the wide-screen plasma TVs.

    The just reported slowdown in consumer sentiment musnt’ have hit my neck of the woods yet!

    cheers,
    Carlin

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