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  • Profile photo of sanshilsanshil
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    Hi everyone

    I am planning to demolish existing 3 bedroom house and bulit new duplex in Sydney.

    Can anyone please advise me approximately how much it would cost to built duplex?

    Who is leading builder for duplex?

    What are the other additional approximate cost and how long normally it takes?

    Cheers

    Profile photo of wealth4life.comwealth4life.com
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    Price to build $850.00 per/sq/m

    regards Phil

    Profile photo of MichaelYardneyMichaelYardney
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    Originally posted by resiwealth:

    Price to build $850.00 per/sq/m

    regards Phil

    Phil
    That may be the price for the shell, but if you were to include driveways, landscaping and all the rest we are finding building costs for a good finish townhouse is $1,050 to $1,100 per sq mt.

    Multiply this by the total area including garages.

    But there are lots of other costs to consider, not just the building cost.

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    allow 10% contingency for price increases by the time you get approval and sign on the dotted line. they seem to be coming in on avergae at about 1% per month



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    Hi Mike,

    I am paying $850.00 sq/m inclusive and i am doing about 12 per month.

    Regards Phil

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    Hi Phil
    do you mean you are doing 12 duplexes per month?
    are you a builder or do you have a team that you use regularly?
    Very interested in this subject
    cheers
    Toni

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    Hi Toni,

    I am doing a mixture of houses and duplexs plus whole sale land under put&call options direct to the public.

    I’m what ever you want me to be … Phil

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    resiwealth,

    where are you doing all this development?

    Can you explain what you mean by ‘whole sale’ land?

    Do you have any land avialable in the perth metro area?

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    Profile photo of Sailesh ChannanSailesh Channan
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    I am currently planning building 6 duplexes in Brisbane each duplex has a total floor of 150 sqm. I have just submitted the DA application for these on a res b site. We have met with the council and our submition complies with thier codes…so approcal is a mere formality.

    The cost comes to $730 per sqm turn key…yes it includes everything at this price curtains, carpets, landscaping, driveways, stainlees steel appliances, etc

    I spent 3 solid months looking for a good builder that could build for a competative price ( I do this for a living)

    I also help other investors by sourcing development sites and project managing the development on thier behalf.

    Regards

    Sailesh

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    Hi Saleish,

    This is my first post on the forum. You guys have an excellent discussion platform here.

    I just felt that I should maybe warn you against a $730/m2 price on duplexes. Firstly, I openly state that I have no idea what arrangements you may have with your builder. I also state that I am a builder, and we specialise in building villas/townhouses/duplexes on the NSW Central Coast. We build them for our own development projects, and we undertake contracts to build for others.

    We recently built a 300m2 duplex, and it COST us $257,000, or approx $850/m2 exclusive of GST. If we were building this for a client – depending on a myriad of factors to determine our margin and also PC allownace – it would come in somewhere between $320,000-$350,000 including GST. A project like this takes approx 20 weeks, however I’d never sign a contract for less than 26.

    We turnover approximately $3m per year, and have good established supplier relationships. I am confident that the prices we get are extremely competitive. In short, I just feel concerned that your $730/m2 build is unachievable, and if your builder is declared insolvent during your project, it will be a VERY costly exercise to get the job finished. When it comes to finishing another builder’s work, most of us will only go under a cost-plus contract, with a pretty standard 20% margin.

    Is your builder long-established? How many staff? What is his current annual turnover? How old is he? For what level of turnover does he have Home Owner’s Warranty insurance?

    According to Cordells, the going rate for townhouses is $1250/m2 + GST.

    Cheers,

    Andrew. [:D]

    Originally posted by Sailesh Channan:

    I am currently planning building 6 duplexes in Brisbane each duplex has a total floor of 150 sqm. I have just submitted the DA application for these on a res b site. We have met with the council and our submition complies with thier codes…so approcal is a mere formality.

    The cost comes to $730 per sqm turn key…yes it includes everything at this price curtains, carpets, landscaping, driveways, stainlees steel appliances, etc

    I spent 3 solid months looking for a good builder that could build for a competative price ( I do this for a living)

    I also help other investors by sourcing development sites and project managing the development on thier behalf.

    Regards

    Sailesh

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    Profile photo of Sailesh ChannanSailesh Channan
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    The Builder I am using is a medium sized builder. He only works for developers and only builds low rise brick and tile houses.

    This way he is able to turn over many homes in a short time. He is also on site supervising the work himself.

    I have seen his work and it is of a high quality. In fact his completed homes sell faster when compared to other builders work.

    There are even cheaper builders around however they have limitations in brick choice and standard inclusions are of a lower quality.

    Therefore due to lower office overheads and a willingness to take on simple construction jobs he is able to deliver at a lower cost.

    Unfortunately when it comes to double storey homes or townhouses I have to source other builders. This means these types of projects will have a higher build cost. So far from all the potential projects I have looked at none have matched these duplexes in terms of profitability due to the high construction cost.

    Andrew, while I understand your scepicism I am confident in his abilities based on the research I have done so far.

    Regards

    Sailesh

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    Sailesh

    I have to say I am of the same attitude as Andrew.

    Having been involved in the Brisbane development market for 11 years and with a partner who was a builder so we actually did the work ourselves I cannot see how you can build a desent bulding for that price.

    Anyway good luck.

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    Profile photo of Sailesh ChannanSailesh Channan
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    The builder is mid 40 and has building for a while now. He has also been working for medium sized developers who have a large land bank and are creating house and land packages. The majority of the homes are 4 bedroom low rise with the occassional duplexes.

    These developers have been in this game for many years and have build hundreds of homes. My builder is one of several they use and most of the better priced homes are built by him. Some of the cheaper quality houses built by other builders take longer to sell.

    I have seen him build several from ground up alredy and am amazed on how quick he is. He uses subcontractors to do work such as roofing, plastering, cementing, tiling, kitchens, etc Apart from this he has a small group that he employees to do the framing and other odd work.

    He does work hard himself as he is always on site with a hammer in hand. He usually finishes at 3pm to take care of paperwork till 6pm everyday.

    If he was not profitable I am sure his accountant would have told him by now.

    Regards

    Sailesh

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    Hi Salesh

    We have 3/4 medium to large developments around the city which we will phase in over the next 18 months depending on other work and business but at those rate would get your builder to construct them rather than my partner build them.

    If you are interested in a referral fee to provide us with his details I would be happy to discuss.

    cheers

    richard
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    G’day all,

    Great discusson.

    $730 per sq m! Wow, haven’t seen costs this low in Sydney since my grandfather was building – well almost!

    Sailesh, do you have any ‘tricks of the trade’ which you would like to share with us?
    -innovative building techniques/materials
    -negotiating techniques
    -etc

    Regards
    archiZEN

    Profile photo of MichaelYardneyMichaelYardney
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    I agreee with the majority of posters here.

    As I said in a previous post we are currently involved in project managing 85 developments for clients from all over Australia.

    I also own my own building company but use outside builders for the projects we manage for clients.

    If you take the all up cost including driveways, fences, landscaping etc, the “retail” cost is $1,050 for good finish up to $1,200 per sq mt for great finish.

    This is the price in suburban Melbourne at present. It may differ interstate.

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    Profile photo of Sailesh ChannanSailesh Channan
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    Originally posted by Qlds007:

    Hi Salesh

    We have 3/4 medium to large developments around the city which we will phase in over the next 18 months depending on other work and business but at those rate would get your builder to construct them rather than my partner build them.

    If you are interested in a referral fee to provide us with his details I would be happy to discuss.

    cheers

    richard
    Qlds007

    Cheers Richard
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    Richard

    There is a catch he works exclusively on the northside of Brisbane Cabolture, Redcliffe, Pine Rivers area and remember he will not touch complicated townhouse type projects. He will only build low rise brick and tile homes.

    I agree with most comments on town houses costing around $1200 per sqm to build. We have looked at several possible projects around Brisbane and once you factor in all your costs including selling and GST you are barely making 14% and this is one of the main reasons why we will not embark on such a development. The second resaon is due to the level of risk associated with a large development like this. If however I came across a potential development site offering 30% return I may be tempted however we have a greater chances of seeing pigs fly before this happens.

    We also have access to builders that will build a double storey home with lightweight materials for around $900 per sqm. This is especially useful for small lot inner city housing.

    Regards,

    Sailesh Channan

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    Originally posted by MichaelYardney:

    I agreee with the majority of posters here.

    As I said in a previous post we are currently involved in project managing 85 developments for clients from all over Australia.

    I also own my own building company but use outside builders for the projects we manage for clients.

    If you take the all up cost including driveways, fences, landscaping etc, the “retail” cost is $1,050 for good finish up to $1,200 per sq mt for great finish.

    This is the price in suburban Melbourne at present. It may differ interstate.

    Michael Yardney
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    spot on [wink]

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