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    in todays age

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    Private schools must not be allowed to win their war against government schools.

    Recently some observations I made at Scotch College in 2001 started spreading spontaneously around the country like some sort of email samizdat. Approving letters began to arrive from complete strangers. Journalists contacted me seeking verification. The town tabloid ran a story. The Sydney press followed. Rants against my novels were posted on a right-wing hate site.

    My remarks were made to year 11 students in the course of a creative writing seminar. For the record, this is what I said:

    “When I first received an inquiry about my availability to come and talk at this school, I was naturally reluctant. After all, this school has little to recommend it in the eyes of the wider community. Historically it has been simply a machine for the transmission of inherited privilege.

    “It is a place where boys from middle-class backgrounds are sent to improve their material prospects and to reproduce the values of their class, or where the boys of insecure parents are sent to fulfil the distorted ambitions of their fathers.

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    “When I think of Scotch College, what comes immediately to mind are the values and actions of its most prominent Old Boys.

    “I think of the scene I saw on television after Scotch old boy Jeff Kennett used his power and his philosophy to close down the only high school in the state specifically dedicated to the education of young Aboriginal people. How students from that school came here and stood at the gates and how your principal went out and told them to go away.

    “I think of your old boy, David Kemp, the federal education minister, giving millions of dollars of public money to enhance the marketability of schools like this one – justifying his actions with statistics and arguments that he refuses to apply to the needs of the 70 per cent of Australian families who choose to educate their children in the democratic and equitable environment of government schools.

    “I think, too, of the newspaper reports of the violent behaviour of some of your students – and the quick readiness with which these boys were defended and excused in the courts by their adult class allies.

    “For these reasons, I was initially reluctant to come here.

    “On the other hand, I thought, ‘Well, all this is hardly the fault of the current crop of students.’ It is not your fault, after all, that your families decided to institutionalise you. It is not your fault that your mothers and fathers elected to place you in the emotionally distorting and educationally deficient environment of an all-boys school.

    “It is not your fault that your parents lacked sufficient confidence in your personal maturity and ability to respond to the opportunities offered by government school education – and Australia has one of the best systems in the world, by the way, despite the relentless propaganda to the contrary by the vested interest of the private-school lobby.

    “Right now, you are the victims. Later, of course, society will be your victim, and will suffer from the attitudes with which you are indoctrinated here.

    “But who knows? Just as prison does not always break the spirit of all who are incarcerated there, perhaps you will not turn out to be a burden to society.

    “Perhaps when you leave here, some of you will even manage to contribute to the wellbeing of this country.

    “I certainly hope so. But just to hedge my bets, I will be donating part of my fee today to the campaign for public education.

    “Good luck with your studies and thanks for having me.”

    While these observations did not strike me as particularly original or remarkable, they were clearly new to many of the students. Impertinent, too. My teacher-escort looked at me like I’d just attempted to storm the Somme redoubt with an HB pencil. At the end of the session, several students approached me to reprise the usual arguments for government funding of rich private schools. A third-generation Scotch boy, the scion of a prominent Liberal dynasty, accused me of being “unfair”.

    Apart from sending copies to a few friends, including some Scotch survivors, I made no attempt to disseminate my remarks. Now, out of the blue, I am suddenly getting daily requests for approval to publish them. And I find myself described, inaccurately, as a public education activist.

    So why this upsurge of interest, three years after the event?

    My guess, based on incoming mail, is that Scotch College is perceived as emblematic of the private education lobby’s increasingly aggressive war against government schools. And by criticising Scotch, I gave voice to a growing feeling among many parents, teacher and students of public schools that not enough of us are standing up for government education.

    Education is a fundamental issue for millions of Australians. And public education is the preferred option of most parents. Yet, in the face of an imminent election, the major political parties seem unable to accept these facts. The Liberals, in reality if not in words, are committed to the systematic dismantling of public education. Labor, lacking a firm commitment to anything in particular, stands for its gradual impoverishment and erosion.

    The schooling of our children has been reduced to a bargaining chip in wedge politics. The press is more than happy to help. After all, its education supplements are fattened with advertisements for enrolment-chasing independent schools. So every week brings coverage of some fresh “finding” by some “independent research institute” to prove that public education should be chopped into small pieces and flushed down the toilet.

    Government school teachers are routinely denigrated and their wage claims described as attempted blackmail.

    Meanwhile, our children are increasingly divided into educational ghettos that undermine our civil values and reward religious fundamentalism.

    Meanwhile, behind the facade of choice, elite private schools plunge their hands deeper and deeper into the public pocket.

    Grants provided by the Government, added to the fees paid by parents, are used by private schools to offset the cost of affiliation to lobby groups. These organisations, in turn, generate the arguments for further subsidies.

    Parents who have invested big money in having their children featherbedded into university places and designer-branded into school-tie corporate networks hedge their bets by denigrating government schools. Competitive advantage is the name of the game. And it’s a zero-sum game. Most parents realise this.

    Soon after my comments at Scotch, the Liberal scheme to give hefty subsidies to wealthy private schools went before the Senate. Labor could have rejected it and forced an election on the issue of education. Polling indicated it would have romped home. Instead, it approved the bill, muttered its customary weasel words and sat on its hands until the Tampa hove into sight.

    In the three years since, Labor appears to have learned nothing.

    Despite the welter of dodgy statistics and high-flown arguments about choice, parents know that the answer is really quite simple. Schools need money. Our “better” schools have been operating on that assumption for generations.

    So by way of a postscript to my speech of three years ago, I invite Scotch College to demonstrate its true independence and affirm its educational philosophy by declining all future government subsidies.

    Noblesse, surely, compels it.

    Profile photo of kay henrykay henry
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    rogue,

    Fortunately, that article has been widely disseminated on activist circles, and who knows… it might become as big as “yes Virginia, there is a santa claus.”

    I really enjoyed Shane Maloney’s speech. (Here’s where I got it from:
    http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/08/31/1093938920514.html

    I enjoyed his use of irony- that the privileged kids can’t help their parents’ legacy, and that hopefully they’ll make something useful out of themselves despite their background… a nice discourse, I thought.

    Rogue, I can imagine you’d enjoy this article with your interest in status issues. Thanks for posting it.

    kay henry

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    thanks kay – i would have loved to have been in the audience. the irony was wonderful. there wld have been alot of very confused kids after that talk! hehe

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    Can’t agree I’m sorry. If parents wish to send their children to an institution that means something to them, i.e. they attended themsleves, or wish to provide better perceived options post high school via a perceived ‘old boys’ network, that is their perogative.

    True, not all of us could afford to send children to a private school but living in a democracy is about having choices.

    The funding issue a non-issue for me. The vast majority of funding goes to government schools.

    Profile photo of aussierogueaussierogue
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    i understand where you coming from anubis but i must admit to having a laugh when the arguement ‘parents have the right, and about parents making choices’ is used.

    must admit to be cynical about the ability of most parents to make good choices for there kids. and thats the educated/wealthy ones aswell.

    you know the one about parents needing licences to parents.

    we (im a parent aswell) dont know why we make alot of the choices we make and this includes why we ‘really’ send our kids to private schools.

    alot of us dress it up as some kind of noble persuit but i sense a more sinister undertone. more a subconscience display of fear, status envy, class structure etc…

    what are we teaching our kids when a huge part of our lives is about finding money to send our kids to elite schools. we are teachjing them that money is important, that class is important, thatyou should spend in inordinate amount of mmoney, time, stress in ensuring that your child gets a subjective notion of what is a good education.

    to me its pretty dumb. what happened to teaching your kids about charity, about moderation, about avoiding keeping up with the jones’s, about making good decisions based on the fact rather than on some fear that your child will be left behind.

    if i do send my kids to a private school, and there is some small chance this will happen, i will also be spending alot of time letting them know that we do so with some trepidation, and let them know the fears that we might have….

    i have some friends who spend huge amounts of money to give there kids the private school education that they ‘didnt’ have. and i said to them – why? whats wrong with you?? as in ‘you havve turned out ok and you went to high schools’. they looked at eachother dumbfounded as if this had never occured to them – and mumbled something about being lucky. the truth is they are very caught up in status issues – have a huge car, big house and a private school is just part of the equation. when a rich person finally admits this than ill have a party.

    hehe

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    Nothing worse than the nouveau riche, I reckon. Old money doesn’t have to scream about it- at lerast there’s a bit of dignity there. I find the nouveau riche to be embarrassing.

    kay henry

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    Well, I’m surprised by all this campaining on telly about private schools getting more govt funding than public schools. I thought that private schools were called that because they had nothing to do with the Government. I thought they were self funded (which is why you have to pay to go there) or at worst the churches behind them funded the schools. Pretty pissed off to see that tax payer dollars go towards these schools. They should be totally self funded in my opinion.

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    Luckyone – why is that so? Parents of private school kids pay taxes too – does not some of that tax money deserve to go to their school, private or not?

    BTW many catholic schools are private in name only – they charge nominal school fees, and if parents cannot afford the fees ut still want their kids to have a catholic education other agreements are reached. I’d say many of these schools would go bankrupt without government funding.

    I know the catholic church is a wealthy organisation but don’t confuse that with the low level parish or school.

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    Hello,

    Just to put a spanner in your works Aussie Rogue, I also cannot agree.

    As a private school educated woman myself,
    my parents saved, sacrficed and scrimped to give me the best possible for which I am supremely grateful.

    I have noticed the difference in quality between some goverment schools and private ie. my friends, lovers etc who went to goverment run schools did not get the level of attention from teachers or education, values taught, as I did.This is a quality every child should receive during their impressionable years.

    This then is why I cannot deny a parents right to choose for their children, whatever they deem to be the very best.

    Trisha[biggrin]

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    All this because you addressed the Yr 11 Creative Writing seminar….and you accepted a fee to do so?????(partially donated to public education alledgedly)

    Wow, your commitment to Australia’s youth (private or publicly educated) is commendible (NOT)

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    hi trisha – i too am a product of an elitist education. i got a scholarship although my parents could have afforded to send me to the school anyway. i just dont fall for the ‘my parents skimpt and saved etc etc. so what? i didnt ask them too and maybe this effort was a little misguided. and who said it is the best possibl;e just because its the most expensive. i am playing the devils advocate here but the truth is that we are teaching our kids that the most expensive is the best. trish – is this true?? is the most expensive the best??? again its not as noble a persuit as its made out to be.

    what you are also saying is that parents who cant afford to send there kids to private schools have somehow failed there children. trish is this true?? do you look doiwn on people who cant afford to send there kids to private schools.

    off course you will say no that you are not that unkind. but the truth is that is exactly what you are saying – but you dont even know it!! its called hidden prejudice!!

    on the subject of parents of private schol kids paying taxes/. that is true – then why not take advantage of that and send them to public schools – if you wanna go private then pay extra. just because i pay taxes doent mean i expect the govt to susidise my private golf course fees. this extra benefit so to speak is my choice so i should pay!!

    its a tough subject but one that most parents are rarely accountable too becuase who would dare critisize a parent for wanting the best for their child. very emotive and very unfair. it breeds a certain unwillingness to consider the options…

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    heres some examples of parents/adults not knowing what we are doing (so how can we be expected to know whats best for our kids)

    -50 pct of the time we pick the wrong life partner (and this is only divorse figures)

    – we spend more and more time taking to psychotherapists, mentors, reading self help books etc. this is a good thing but it also shows that we dont know what we are doing and we therefore need help.

    – most men have midlife cirsis abpout the same time the choice of education happens. we dont even know how to choose a car let alone pick a school

    – close to half (debatable) the usa adult population voted for george bush in the last election and will prob do the same in the next.

    – 30 pct of the population still smoke even though we know it will kill us.

    – rich people drive huge cars for no apparent reason…

    these are all examples of adults and parents making very silly decisions. why cant you just except that the choice of schools is just as emotive as the above. if after you realise that in the main its a rediclous thing to spend so much energy on – and you still send your kids to private schools atleast you do fully aware that the choice at the end of the day is not that important..and parents should not be given too much cudos for their ‘sacrifices’ as they have explained. parents choice – simple as that.

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    Hi Aussierogue,

    First of all, I am surprised that you do not value the education your parents gave you, and call yourself a PRODUCT of elitist education?!

    Also I do not necessarily agree that expensive is the best, all I am saying is that I saw as I was growing up the difference between the time given to each student by the teachers and what that time mant in improving the students quality of learning.

    For example: my teachers took great pains to tutor me on subjects I was not particularly a genius at eg. maths in order to make sure I had an understanding of it.

    whereas my friend who went to a govermment run school was just put into a lower class and given what she called “baby maths” to do!

    That IS the difference

    Trisha[biggrin]

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    hi trisha. i value my education but the truth is i got the level of education myself – ie my parents didnt pay as i received a scholarship. but having said that – if my children go to a private school i will not instill in them how much of a sacrifice i had to make to send them there. that would be silly. it is my choice as a parent to send the child to a private school so the child should never be beholden.

    i do however understand human nature and if a child sees parents suffer to send them to a school i can understand that you would think you parents have done a great thing. i personally would not want to see my parents suffer neither would i want to suffer (inordinatley) in order to send the kids to an expensive school.

    i get frustrated about the way people describe the suffereing and the sacrifices they have had to make to send there kids to private schools. it almost has a holy, virtuous connetation to it wch in my opinion undermines those who at no fault of there own cannot hope to compete (and send there kids to public schools).

    should someone making a decent living earnign 50k a year feel somehow less virtous in the eyes of society because there child goes to a public school?? these are the issues that most of us dont understand!!

    btw – i went to an elitist school and we had the largest class sizes in the state (above 30). i had very little one on one time but our pass rate was 99 pct.

    horses for courses. dont fall for the spin.

    also i think sending your kids to private schools is almost akin to putting your 2 year old infront of the television when you dont wanna parent anymore. just becuase yre kid goes to an expensive school doesnt mean that parents can then negelect other aspect of the childs infpormal education. in my experience those smart parents who send there children to public schools also take a more active part in the childs extra caricular activities. this can be the best way to produce a well rounded, informed person rather than institional brainwashing and seeing what comeout the other end!!

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    Well, that’s a pity about your friend, trish. She mustn’t have gone to the same public school that John howard went to (Canterbury boys’ school). Howard is the first Prime Minister to have only attended public schools in his education- seems now though, he has the same feeling as forum members- he just doesn’t like ’em.

    If we think a bit globally… some countries don’t have private school traditions at all. Some of the smartest people I know went to public schools, because in their country, all schools are public- in Austria, Vancouver, former Yugoslavia, Holland. My friend Caroline, from Vancouver, was telling me that private schools are sneered at there, and thought to not provide the same quality of education. So it just depends on where you’re coming from.

    70% of Aussie kids go to public schools. nothing wrong with private schools at all. I figure though, if I want a private education, private heaolth, or private transport, then I should pay for it. Imagine if the public transport system was completely starved of funding, whilst the govt spent a heap- or sent us vouchers- to buy private cars.

    kay henry

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    simon crean, brian howe, gareth evans (leaders of the opposition or dep primeministers) all went to melbourne high.

    good points kay. its about changing the overall attitude.

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    Hehe I really enjoyed reading that article, aussie; I only discovered it today.

    I would, ideally, like to see all private schools be made redundant.
    All funds set aside for the pampering of private schools could then be redirected into public education.
    This should benefit the whole public education system and make private schools superfluous altogether.

    All schools should be commonly available to every child, regardless of what background they come from.

    Yes, Kay, I come from a country where there are no such institutions as private schools- the public system offers a lot of choices of different types of schools, such as Montessori, Jenaplan, Rudolf Steiner, Christian, Single sex, Open air- you name it.

    Celivia

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    Well, let me think Cel… I think I would choose open-air (so open, that there was no definable school, and I would just sit at the movies all day).. with a bit of Montessori and Steiner chucked in for whenever I bothered to go :) I reckon with Montessori and Steiner, I could get away with not turning up, and still not get belted- hehe.

    kay henry

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    Hehehe Kay, I did just that!
    You bet it’s fun if your parents send you to a school “sight” unseen- nothing to see if there’s so much open air hehe.
    Good enough excuse to have turned out like a sometimes [blank] usually [mad] occasionally [devilish] woman!

    Celivia

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    Well (in aussie’s words) being a product of an elitist education, I can honestly say, I don’t mind either way. Although, my children have always been given the option to choose for themselves where they wanted to go!!!

    I have friends who went on to become lawyers, doctors and politicians, and who unlike me, weren’t forced into going to a “toffee-nosed” girls school by their lawyer, doctor, politician parents!!!

    What I think SHOULD happen, is not the abolishment of private schools, but a massive injection of (continued) funding for the public sector schools, so that ALL children can have the same opportunities, regardless of where they are made to hang their bags!!!

    Jo

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