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    From your experience who is the most effective presenter of seminars or courses? I’m not talking, “they made me feel all happy and excited, and they were so friendly and approachable.” [thumbsdownanim

    No, I’m talking about the effect on your results. They gave you strategies you applied which improved your bottomline, such that you can look back and think, “I would gladly pay that guy double for his seminar for what he has done for me.”

    Wez.

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    Personally, Id have to say that the most effective gurus are all you guys on this forum – you answer questions which can be implemented immediately. The other gurus would only be ok when you attend their lengthy 4 day seminars. Their one, two or three hour ones are just promotional stuff for their big event.

    I like this site and believe its the best guru ive discovered yet.

    Kind Regards,
    George.

    “If You never never ask, you’ll never never know”

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    My Accountant.

    And I have a few real estate agents I discuss matters with. And some family friends.

    This forum and Books have confirmed what I initially thought.

    Gurus are nothing to me.

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    I’m wondering who are the 8 get-rich-quick gurus named in the Australian Consumer and Investments Commission report (ref: today’s SMH, page 6).

    According to the report, ‘they recklessly overstate benefits and use psychological manipulation to draw people in.’

    Apparently the report has been under wraps since May last year. Lots of people would have been through their seminars since then.

    Scott

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    I read a similar article in todays Financial Review

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    I’ll answer this one, seeing as all other answers so far have been ‘no guru’…

    The one that I recommend above all others is tony Robbins (it’s funny that his ad came up on this thread as I was reading it…).

    Of course, you have to implement what anybody teaches, but I think the biggest issue I had (and I reckon that most people have) is what you think, what’s holding you back (that you don’t even know is holding you back), WHY you think the way you do, and ways to ‘think better thoughts’.

    Since studying Tony, I’ve attended a couple, ok a few investment courses, and learning the strategies was all well and good, but even now (like 130 properties etc.) I still have moments of ‘well, yeah, it worked for them, but it wouldn’t work for ME cos of x, y, and z.’ Which I think is crap really, to take Steve as an example, cos I was investing before he was, and had a bigger base to launch from, easily had the same income to draw from (including partner, family etc. who also invest), but I just don’t believe that I could achieve those sorts of results…..

    Cheers
    Mel

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    The answer is in your question
    “…. They gave you strategies you applied… “

    The most effective Guru is the one that finds the way into you head and makes you apply a properly thought strategy.

    The best strategy in the world is worthless if you do not put it in practice. Even a half-cooked one applied from the heart will have great effect.

    To put it into perspective, the message at a seminar must coincide with our timing. In other words, we must be ready and let us face it, we are not ready most of the time.

    I was at a R K seminar once, one at which he went over the top insisting we are immersed in opportunities and we must keep our eyes open for such opportunities that can come in many different and unsuspected forms. On the way out some guy handed me a booklet and I stopped to give it a quick read. I observed that the guy who was handing out what happened to be a very well written and helpful report on personal develpment could hardly give any away.

    Almost all the seminar attendees would snob him with a dismissive gesture and some even called him names like parasite and other niceties.

    How could anyone see opportunities with such a load of bias and aggression? People like that go to a seminar expecting the presenter to reinforce their own preconceived ideas and rather than being teachable dismisses the guru as a fraud if it does not fit into their rigid mould.

    My preferred Guru is Randy Gage, but he is not necessarily “the best” for everyone. In fact, some hate him. Why? Because what he told me via his tapes and e-mails helped me, what he told others rocked their comfort zone and that was not what they wanted.

    May God prosper you always.[biggrin]
    Marc

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    >>How could anyone see opportunities with such a load of bias and aggression? People like that go to a seminar expecting the presenter to reinforce their own preconceived ideas and rather than being teachable dismisses the guru as a fraud if it does not fit into their rigid mould.<<

    Marc’s remark, shown above, is confirmed by the following statement (which I believe to be spot on) :

    So often when someone asks someone else for advice the advice is welcomed and embraced provided it conforms what we were thinking in the first place.

    If it conflicts with what we were thinking it almost certainly will be rejected.

    Another amazing phenomenon is that after someone has committed to a seminar and even though they, some time later, are well aware that ‘it’ didn’t change anything in their life, that very person will defend the guru to his last breath never mind what evidecne someone else brings forward.

    Gee, people aren’t only complicated creatures but also rather illogical.

    Pisces

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    Hey Pisces and Wezwaz,

    Honestly I think the most effective guru is

    ME…[biggrin][biggrin][biggrin][biggrin][biggrin][biggrin]…hahah – I wish

    …hey, if any of u wanna listen to me give advice, I’ll be conducting seminars at the Sheraton this weekend for a once only $29,995.00. But Hurry, tickets are limited – only 10,000 seats still left…

    …[biggrin][biggrin]just stirring u all….hahahaha….[biggrin][biggrin]

    “If You never never ask, you’ll never never know”

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    Originally posted by geo:

    …hey, if any of u wanna listen to me give advice, I’ll be conducting seminars at the Sheraton this weekend for a once only $29,995.00. But Hurry, tickets are limited – only 10,000 seats still left…

    …[biggrin][biggrin]just stirring u all….hahahaha….[biggrin][biggrin]

    “If You never never ask, you’ll never never know”

    Geo if you can make me 100k in 2 weeks as I’m sure you will promise I’ll happily fork over my hard earned dollars!!

    Brendon


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    The problem I have with gurus is that they sell their seminars at $1000s because they can…. not because it’s good value…

    In my eyes you can learn either self-tought through books, forums, failures, etc or coaching, where you get to spend time with a mentor or experienced friend on an ongoing basis.

    The seminar belongs to the first category whereby the guru gives you a quick run-down of the system, drops a manual (often their books) in your hand and says “off you go…”, and there you are back to teaching yourself the given techniques.

    The difference between the two methods of learning is that first requires a great deal more time, perseverence, courage and street smarts, wheres a mentor can fast track you to success through their guidance.

    The only thing the guru seminar offers on top of what you can get from their books is the spark to take action, but this wears off quickly and even this you get out of a book as well.

    The guru certainly won’t hold your hand on your first couple of years to get your bearings, so…. no mentor either.

    If you want to get your spark attend the free preliminary seminars. I’ve never been to one of these without getting something out of it. These are certainly value for money [exhappy]

    anyway… just an opinion

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    Jack, why not join (or start) a real estate group so as to get the momentum going ?

    If you are in Sydney there is actually such a group and, lucky you, there is a meeting tonight.

    Pisces

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    While I would agree that most property seminars are overpriced, and not value-for-money, if I had the time again I would still have gone to every one.

    The reason I say this is the people I was able to meet and network with along the way. I have met some great like-minded people who have become great friends and business partners.

    Unfortunately there are not too many organised property networking groups around so for me the seminars have been great.

    It all depends on what you want to get out of it. If you spend 10k on a seminar, and get nothing out of it in terms of contacts and networking groups then yes, I can see how people would be disappointed.

    Brendon


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    ‘Christopher Reeves’. I have the greatest admiration for him and he is a person that I often think of for inspiration and for setting a great example.
    Cheers,
    Gatsby.

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    JackFr

    You’ve absolutely nailed it! Gurus charge high prices because they can, not because it’s value. They create an aura and very cleverly tap into a basic human want – to get rich quickly without expending much energy. This is a very strong temptation and we have all felt it at some stage of our lives. It makes us do silly things, like spend thousands on seminars without even questioning what we are doing. We fear missing out on some big secret.

    It is the people who get over all this hype, see the reality and apply themselves who have a chance of succeeding. [grad]

    Wez.

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    Originally posted by Geronimo:

    While I would agree that most property seminars are overpriced, and not value-for-money, if I had the time again I would still have gone to every one.

    The reason I say this is the people I was able to meet and network with along the way. I have met some great like-minded people who have become great friends and business partners.

    …. and you can’t meet these outside of seminars? it so happens that Pisces just pointed one out [biggrin]… oh and I’m going tonight Pisces [biggrin]… as a matter of fact I’ve been already… check out the attendence list [whistle]

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    Originally posted by wezwaz:

    They create an aura and very cleverly tap into a basic human want – to get rich quickly without expending much energy. This is a very strong temptation and we have all felt it at some stage of our lives… We fear missing out on some big secret.[grad]

    yes absolutely right, It’s difficult to resist, especially as a green horn… if the gurus are one in thing, they are excellent sales people… they know how to work a crowd… they know how to bring big emotions into the game…

    but as we all know a sales persons intentions are not always to the very best for the cutomer [wink]

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    Originally posted by JackFr:

    Originally posted by Geronimo:

    While I would agree that most property seminars are overpriced, and not value-for-money, if I had the time again I would still have gone to every one.

    The reason I say this is the people I was able to meet and network with along the way. I have met some great like-minded people who have become great friends and business partners.

    …. and you can’t meet these outside of seminars? it so happens that Pisces just pointed one out [biggrin]… oh and I’m going tonight Pisces [biggrin]… as a matter of fact I’ve been already… check out the attendence list [whistle]

    What you got in Brisvegas then?

    Brendon


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    Hi Guys,

    personally who does it for me is:

    Robert Kiyosaki – for building the mindset
    David Novac – for investors psychology

    then its my entry & exit plans for each and every single investment, and following a set of simple rules.

    this is just a simple guide, but both effective in shares and in property.

    * Plan the trade
    * Then trade the plan
    * And stick to the Rules (this way, there is no emotion at all)

    Cheers,
    sis

    ps.. some one who is emotional about investing, will show it in there cash management skills but will also, show it in there bank balance, compared to someone who sticks to the game plan and follow the rules…

    … you will see there is, a definite difference in there bank balances and cash management skills

    People 4get that by saving just $3 a day & investing it sensibly
    over a working life, you’ll end up with around $1 million

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    Originally posted by The Mortgage Adviser:

    There is only one answer to this question….

    ME!!!

    [grad][grad][grad][grad]

    Not HK in disguise then are you Rob?

    Brendon


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