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    Hi. I am very new to this site and came here because I have a specific question about the Darwin real estate market. I am very suspicious of the current boom that is going on here in the market. After several ‘flat’ years, house prices have jumped. I am puzzled by this because the adult population in the territory has decreased, there is a major new subdivision going up (Lee Point) and apartment blocks in the inner city continue to be built. I just don’t know who is going to be living in all these new houses/apartments. When I ask agents about the reality of this ‘boom’, they all tell me that ‘interstate buyers’ are snapping up Darwin houses ‘sight unseen’. Really?? I doubt that there has been a big increase in the number of NSW/Victoria etc residents are buying investment property in Darwin. I am beginning to think that agents, tired of the flat market, are creating a mini boom purely by rumour and suggestion that the Darwin market is hot. Any time I try to get some real information (albeit, I don’t know much about the real estate market so am on a big learning curve!) I keep getting told the same thing: “interstate buyers, sight unseen, straight off the books” etc. Since most of the people on this forum are from the Southern states, I would appreciate some feedback on this–have you, or anyone you know, snapped up a Darwin property sight unseen? I am concerned because I want to buy a house in Darwin (to live in) but fear it will be worth $50,000 less than I paid in a year’s time because this ‘boom’ will be over and people will realise there is little demand for Darwin properties.

    Any comments, advice would be appreciated! Ezvanetree

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    Firstly, if you plan to live in the house in the long term and not trying to use it for immediate equity then why worry about what it is worth in 12 months time? Your PPOR has to be affordable and a nice place to live for you. If the house meets that rule and you are not looking for equity in it immediately then think if it will be worth more in several years time?

    I’m not sure on the actual figures but I am sure the Darwin market went through a bit of a mini-boom in the late 80s and early 90s when the military started shifting assets up north rather than sitting about in Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne.

    The recent and successful running of the Adelaide to Darwin train line also is linked to interest in investment in properties in Darwin, mostly to do with increased shipping and port access. Maybe investors are reacting to this?

    The situation doesn’t look bad for Darwin in the near future so it seems to be just a matter of research. Buy on what you think is best as if you are not happy with it then its hard to ever feel ‘settled’.

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    A lot happening in Darwin as well with the Government spending money on the Port area, think someone on this site mentioned the hospital ?

    The real estate boom over the last 2 years has pushed prices up everywhere, and yes E-States buyers ( and others ) are looking further afield for IP’s, As your probally aware Darwin has Seasonal population movements too, Investors possibly looking at the value for money in NT’s City

    REDWING

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    Hi there,

    I live up in Darwin, and there does seem to be a lot of Sold, or Under Contract signs at the moment. However, if it is interstate buyers, and we dont have a population increase shortly, and I mean a real increase, then they could get burnt as well. Its all very well to say the Railway and the increased Port usage, and Govt spending increases are going to make this place the next best thing, however no bodies equals empty houses/units.

    And I would just like to say that I love Darwin and you bloody well sydneysuckers and melboubites are silly.

    Regards,

    Brent2

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    i bought in darwin september last year. you only need the abs stats to tell you darwin is growing quite quickly (CG 8% last quarter, 4.2% in april). that and the nt gov sights say the same thing. i own a 3 beddy unit in larrakeyah (cbd area) and yes there are a lot going up in that area, targeting the “southerners”. i bought across the street (houston st) where i targeted local couples who wanted the lifestyle. across the street the units are targeted at tourists staying for the dry season. very risky especially since there is a 7% vacancy rate for these type of apartments. and the wet season you wont get anyone to rent.
    anyone buying in darwin, do your homework very very carefully. there are some dodgy areas that i just wouldnt buy in.
    the railway will see an increase in employment for darwin. families will have to move there as the expertise for oil rigs etc just doesnt exist in darwin at present. the hospital in expanding, with more specialised treatments due to take place. surely the government wouldnt spend money on the hospital if it didnt think it needed to.
    just my two cents worth.
    cheers
    shaun

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    Instead of worrying on what might be, do oyur sums and work out what should be. Thats right….you investing in something somewhere not just chatting about it in a comfort zone website.

    Have a go, you arent getting younger and neither are the opportunities.

    DD

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    DD

    Reminds me of a saying

    Dont wait to buy real estate, buy real estate and wait

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    i bought in darwin september last year. you only need the abs stats to tell you darwin is growing quite quickly (CG 8% last quarter, 4.2% in april). that and the nt gov sights say the same thing. i own a 3 beddy unit in larrakeyah (cbd area) and yes there are a lot going up in that area, targeting the “southerners”. i bought across the street (houston st) where i targeted local couples who wanted the lifestyle. across the street the units are targeted at tourists staying for the dry season. very risky especially since there is a 7% vacancy rate for these type of apartments. and the wet season you wont get anyone to rent.
    anyone buying in darwin, do your homework very very carefully. there are some dodgy areas that i just wouldnt buy in.
    the railway will see an increase in employment for darwin. families will have to move there as the expertise for oil rigs etc just doesnt exist in darwin at present. the hospital in expanding, with more specialised treatments due to take place. surely the government wouldnt spend money on the hospital if it didnt think it needed to.
    just my two cents worth.
    cheers
    shaun

    Hi Shaun

    Interesting post. I receive Margaret Lomas’ +CF newsletter (Lomas co-delivers seminars in +CF with Noel Whittaker). In her latest newsletter she said she personally just bought a +CF unit in Darwin CBD, plus a block of 4 units in Armidale, NSW

    Shaun. I appreciate your local knowledge, your facility with the abs statistics, and your comments about Houston St Larrakeyah in particular. Two questions:
    1. Can you help a newbie at demographics by posting the abs link, plus any other demographic statistics links you’d recommend?
    2. Can you clear up an apparent ambiguity for me? You used the phrase “across the street” twice in the following passage, and it confused the hell out of me. On one hand you appear to be saying you’d recommend Houston St, then you appear to be saying it’s dicey. Is it just me? Your words:
    “I bought across the street (houston st) where i targeted local couples who wanted the lifestyle. Across the street the units are targeted at tourists staying for the dry season. very risky especially since there is a 7% vacancy rate for these type of apartments. and the wet season you wont get anyone to rent.”

    Thanks

    Greg F

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    Me again.

    I’d LOVE to learn how to put that sexy blue stiple on a piece of text I’m quoting in my posts? I quoted Shaun’s letter in the post above, and was disappointed that it didn’t have the “blue rinse”. I just went Edit, Copy, then Paste. What’s the secret?
    Cheers
    Greg F

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    Hey Greg.
    I like the avatar!!!!
    Russ.[biggrin]

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    sorry for the confustion. in houston st are two sides to the street (obviously) on one side (righthand side) there are alot of high rise apartments going up targeting southerners to buy, with a rental ability of around 330 per week (the RE agents wont tell you that its only possible during the dry season) on the left hand side you have units, which although not as flash (or 6 stories high) rent lower (265 – 270 per week) which the locals are more inclined to rent, ie lower vacancy rates.
    as for web links here are some of them.
    there are heaps, just search the web, ring RE agents in darwin, hit the open house inspections.
    its not that hard. but again as you look around some of the suburbs, you will know what not to buy. ie ludmilla has an aborginal housing estate there (no offence) which when seen is very messy.. would someone rent there?
    i dont mean to be short, or harsh, but do your homework. i did it with a months visit there last year, then searched the internet for all the stats i needed. that and spoke to RE agents.
    good luck with the house hunting
    shaun

    http://www.darcity.nt.gov.au/Enquiry_Counter/Enquiry_Counter.htm

    http://www.nt.gov.au/

    http://www.news.com.au/nt/

    http://www.nt.gov.au/ntt/financial/budget03-04/docs/buildnt/BTBNTEconOut.pdf

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    Hi Shaun

    Thanks muchly, Shaun (and Hi to Russ!!). Houston Street Larrakeyah’s MUCH CLEARER to me now.

    And I take your point (and mild scolding) about doing the research. My last email was my first dip into the top end RE market plus demographics/due diligence. Your websites have already accelerated my learning curve considerably, and saved me a lot of angst. If it’s not too much to ask:
    1. If reliable, permanent rentals on your side of Houston St are approx $265-$270pw:
    a) Is your 3BR unit brick ‘n tile, weatherboard or hardiplank? How old etc is it?
    b) How much does a unit like yours cost nowadays VS what you paid for it (how much capital growth have you enjoyed? Does it pass the 11 second formula?)
    c) Would you recommend buying a unit in Houston St? (and please don’t think I’m being lazy asking that cheeky question. Regardless of how you answer it, I’ll check it out independently and thoroughly. I have 16 +CF properties, and I’m reasonably suss about this game: it’s just the subtleities of accessing stuff on the web that tricks me up a bit)

    2. I’m DYING to learn how to put that sexy blue stiple over my cut and pastes. Can anyone teach this struggling Forum Troglodyte???

    Here’s my cut ‘n paste of Shaun’s letter (still without any sexy blue stiple):

    “Sorry for the confustion. in houston st are two sides to the street (obviously) on one side (righthand side) there are alot of high rise apartments going up targeting southerners to buy, with a rental ability of around 330 per week (the RE agents wont tell you that its only possible during the dry season) on the left hand side you have units, which although not as flash (or 6 stories high) rent lower (265 – 270 per week) which the locals are more inclined to rent, ie lower vacancy rates.
    as for web links here are some of them.
    there are heaps, just search the web, ring RE agents in darwin, hit the open house inspections.
    its not that hard. but again as you look around some of the suburbs, you will know what not to buy. ie ludmilla has an aborginal housing estate there (no offence) which when seen is very messy.. would someone rent there?
    i dont mean to be short, or harsh, but do your homework. i did it with a months visit there last year, then searched the internet for all the stats i needed. that and spoke to RE agents.
    good luck with the house hunting
    shaun

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    Greg,
    I think you use the quote tab at the bottom of the post.I aint sure tho as i,ve never tried it.But seeing as no one else would answer I thought i,d at least try.

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    Hi Russ

    Re the sexy blue stiple wash over quotes used by Forum experts:

    I clicked the “add reply” button at the bottom of the last message in the forum, assuming the new post would give me the option of a “Quote” button. But, alas, no quote button anywhere in sight as I’m typing this reply.

    HOWEVER, at the top of the blank email form I’m currently typing in I spy the word “Color” in a dropdown menu, and I’ve just selected “Blue” from this menu and cut ‘n pasted your last email. So here goes…

    Cheers
    Greg F

    Greg,
    I think you use the quote tab at the bottom of the post.I aint sure tho as i,ve never tried it.But seeing as no one else would answer I thought i,d at least try.

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    Hi Russ

    YOU WERE RIGHT!!! I pressed the “Quote” button instead of the “Add Reply” and the button came alive with the words “Reply with Quote”, plus a blank email form for me to type inside.

    I’ll post this and she how it looks.

    Cheers

    Greg F

    Originally posted by Greg F:

    Hi Russ

    Re the sexy blue stiple wash over quotes used by Forum experts:

    I clicked the “add reply” button at the bottom of the last message in the forum, assuming the new post would give me the option of a “Quote” button. But, alas, no quote button anywhere in sight as I’m typing this reply.

    HOWEVER, at the top of the blank email form I’m currently typing in I spy the word “Color” in a dropdown menu, and I’ve just selected “Blue” from this menu and cut ‘n pasted your last email. So here goes…

    Cheers
    Greg F

    Greg,
    I think you use the quote tab at the bottom of the post.I aint sure tho as i,ve never tried it.But seeing as no one else would answer I thought i,d at least try.

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    Greg
    Looks like you got it mate.Happy posting.
    Russ.

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    gregf
    i have pm’d you with more details. just pm me if you have any questions
    cheers
    shaun

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