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    Hi folks,

    I have a question, which I have an interpretation of my own to, but would like some clarification here, before I talk to my accountant on….

    ANY HELP, I thank you for….

    I have a company which only does RE investments… Buy n Holds, Flips & Renos…. If I sell a property for a profit, am I hit with CGT, or is it seen as “trading stock” generation of income ???

    Personally I think it’s seen as income, i.e. pay profits tax at year end, but would really like some feedback from everyone here ???

    THANKS !!!

    Scott

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    Pelican Investments,
    Companies do not get the 50% CGT discount so it does not matter whether they are taxed on a capital gain or normal income rate of tax is the same 30%.
    If not held in a company. Flips would still not qualify for any CGT concessions because they are not normally held for the 12 months necessary to get the discount.
    If wraps are not held in a company the following applies:
    If the Vendor Finance arrangement has the following features the income stream received, once the wrap arrangement has begun, is considered to be principle and interest by the ATO. The income stream received before the wrap arrangement is entered into is considered rent. Reference ID2003/968.
    Typical Features of a Wrap (Vendor Finance Arrangement)
    1) The purchaser pays a deposit at the time of entering into the arrangement.
    2) The settlement (change of the title deed to the purchaser) does not take place for several years after the arrangement is entered into.
    3) The purchaser has the right to occupy the property prior to settlement
    4) The purchaser pays a weekly amount (regardless of the name it is given in the arrangement) for the right to occupy the property
    5) As part of the arrangement the purchaser pays the rates, taxes and insurances on the property.
    6) The balance of the purchase price to be paid on settlement of the arrangement is reduced by the weekly instalments.
    7) If the purchaser fails to complete the arrangement the deposit and weekly instalments are forfeited.

    Now what about the profit on the sale of the property? Is that normal income or capital gain and when is it taxable? Assuming an agreement similar to that described above the answer to this question revolves around whether the vendor is in the business of selling houses or an investor just realising an investment. The key issues in differentiating here, according to ID2004/25, 26 & 27 are:
    1) The Vendor did not use the property for any other purpose than to enter into the wrap. A straight rental of a property before entering into a wrap arrangement would avoid this point.
    2) The property was sold at a profit
    3) The wrap arrangement was entered into within 6 months of the vendor purchasing the property.
    4) The Vendor is in the business of purchasing properties to resell. It would be difficult for the ATO to argue this case if the Vendor only bought and sold one property.

    If you are caught by all of the above then CGT cannot apply to the sale of the property as the profit on the sale is revenue in nature. If a transaction is caught as income, CGT does not apply or in other words CGT is the last option if income tax doesn’t catch it. But even if you weren’t caught by the above and CGT applied there would be no discount if the property was held for under 12 months. If you did hold the property for less than 12 months before entering into the wrap it is better to argue that you are in business and caught by the above because the profit on sale would be revenue in nature and as a result not assessable until settlement which could be 25 years away (ID2004/27). If you hold the property for less than 12 months but it is subject to CGT you don’t qualify for the discount but would be assessable on the profit when entering into the wrap.
    Section 104-15(1) of ITAA 1997 states that a CGT event happens when the owner of a property enters into an arrangement with another party to allow them to live in the property and title may transfer at the end of the arrangement. Section 104-10(3) states that the time the CGT event happens is the time of entering into a contract for the disposal of the asset, not when settlement (title passes) takes place.
    For example this means that the vendor who enters into a wrap on a property that has been previously used as a rental and held for more than 6 months will be subject to CGT on the property in the financial year the wrap agreement is entered into. Accordingly, if at this stage the property has not been held for 12 months no CGT discount will be available even if they eventually end up holding the property for 25 years under the arrangement.

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    Only wraps get CGT exemption (mainly because you are vendor financing a product, just a large product).

    I’m a bit surprised you wouldn’t use trusts at all though, as you can quite effectivly shelter income.

    Also offers more security aginst lawsuits (company directors can still be personally liable for certain things).

    Rgds.
    Lucifer_au

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    Thanks everyone.

    Talked to my accountant yesterday and he clarified my confusion !!

    Lucifer – yes, we are doing it thru a trust. but wanted to make sure, as we have several properties we can sell quickly for a profit. ( we bought them with flip / reno in mind…. )

    Cheers

    Scott

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    Get a corporate trustee, as this places the lawsuits further away from your assets.

    It might be a bit expensive, but considering you pay little to no tax and you are safe from lawsuits, it is worth it.

    Rgds.
    Lucifer_au

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