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    Hi all

    We are looking at refinancing our PPOR and IP out of Heritage into two separate lenders (for security and flexibility reasons).

    Unfortunately the valuation on our PPOR came a fair bit under what we were counting on (I am still dumb founded). We now cannot “Free” up enough equity so our PPOR only will have to stay with Heritage. We save a few thousand dollars in early payout fees and new loan setup costs by doing so.

    My question is, how much trouble is it to merely change our standard variable PPOR mortgage into a more flexible LOC arrangement and what are the costs assoicated with doing this.

    thanks heaps[:D]

    Dan

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    Hi Dan

    On the valuation subject, you need to take more charge of the valuation process.

    Personally when I have a property of mine revalued, I compile a full due diligence kit on what I feel the property is worth to hand to the valuer.
    You do need to chat to the valuer beforehand to see if he is receptive to your supporting data, otherwise you’re wasting your time.

    We are seeing at the moment that the major banks are sending more business the way of the more conservative valuers, so you need to find out which valuers are on your banks panel, and employ them yourself getting the valuation assigned to your bank(if they will allow it).

    On your question of changing your STD Var to a LOC, you will have to speak to your own bank about that regarding their fees etc, but they will need to set up a new loan a/c. It is not as simple as converting it over.

    Good luck!

    Brendon


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    Hi Brendan, thanks for your reply [^]

    I really do believe our home was undervalued.

    Can you give my an idea of what your valuation checklist/kit includes and what format it is in, so I don’t get caught out again.

    thanks again[:D]

    Dan

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    Danw,

    Comparable sales, for similar properties to yours. Try to get addresses and actual price. (Digital photos if possible)

    Look at current sales in your area and go through OFI, take some photos and record either auction result or PS.

    Try and make those references which are higher than yours. eg if your PPOR is worth ~ $500k, try and get properties which have sold for $510-540k plus.

    This should be a start.

    James

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    Excuse my ignorance, but what does LOC stand for?

    Message to Steve – how about creating a glossary of terms section somewhere on the web site please.

    Gotta love all these TLAs…

    Kim

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    LOC = Line of Credit

    Simon Macks
    Mortgage Broker
    http://www.mortgagehunter.com.au
    0425 228 985

    Comments may not be relevant to individual circumstances. If you intend making any investment, financial or taxation decision you should consult a professional adviser.

    Profile photo of GeronimoGeronimo
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    Hi Dan

    James has pretty much got it. Be specific though, find higher priced comparable properties of similar land size, no. of bedrooms and bathrooms etc and condition.

    You won’t have much credibility if your comparables are far superior to your property so be specific. A map of your suburb highlighting the comparables will make the valuers job a lot easier too.

    I would suggest getting a copy of a recent valuation, analyse it, and take note of the features the valuers are looking for in your property to determine it’s value.

    If your property is in a high growth area, some statistics on capital growth and positive newspaper articles can only strengthen your case too.

    Hope this helps

    Brendon


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    Profile photo of Big MikeyBig Mikey
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    First question, who did the valuation? Did you pay a valuer? Did your new lender do it or did your existing lender do it?
    Internal valuations by banks are notoriously conservative. I refinanced a house and had it valued by a valuer on the panel of many lenders $285,000. Westpac valed it at $165,000.
    If you want to refinance with a different bank, arrange the property valuation yourself (normally around $300) find out from the valuer (before you undertake their services) which lenders accept their valuations.
    A word of caution, due to issues relating to their professional indemnity cover, valuers generally are more conservative when assessing a refinance than a purchase. Their reasoning is that the purchaser (willing buyer) has set the price and they are simply confirming that price is realistic. With a refi, generally owners believe their house has increased more than it really has and are sucked in by agents who try and buy a listing by suggesting an over-inflated sale price (usually 10% more). Also as they is no willing buyer, valuers will err on the side of conservatism so as not to leave themselves in danger of legal action from overstating a property value and all of its consequences.
    Finally, if a valuer gives you a lousy val (remember its only their opinion) under a refi situation. Get your sister/brother-in-law/friend/whoever to enter into a purchase contract for what you consider to be fair market value, pay for them to get it valued. Then mutually agree to terminate the contract, approach the lender to do a refinance and nominate the same valuer who valued it for the sale that never proceeded. (you might have to tell the valuer that the contract fell over, so you decided to just refinance instead). Once they have put a vslue on a property it is very unlikely that they will change their mind (unless they can prove its value is overstated). The games we have to play sometimes to get a fair go….

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    Good Information,

    I like the way you think![^]

    You help is very much appreciated.

    Dan

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    i got a valuation done 3 months ago, as the block of units are unique to the street, there was no information. i then did research on the area, same number of bedrooms, area size etc. handed it to the valuer (who didnt care) valuation came in 150k. three months later place has been revalued through a new bank valuation 195k!. i hadnt done any major changes etc. quite suprised by it as i was only hopeing for 165k. at the same time i had a valuation done on an IP in darwin, CG for the area (Larrakeyah) was around 12% for the last quarter. the place was valued only 2k more than i bought it for!
    so i guess my advice would be to find a good mortgage broker who can help you get a fair evaluation.
    shaun

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    Big Mikey

    I like the way you think! Definately thinking outside the square!

    Brendon


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    BigMikey, have you done this before?? Sounds great in theory…hopefully in practice too….

    (Do you mind if I use this one??)

    James

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