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    Mortgage duty only applies to individuals borrowing for non property purchases (e.g. a LOC) and company loans. It would be on the date of the loan acceptance.

    An individual buying property won’t be charged duty on the loan they take out to buy this property.

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    I bet they happen to be selling the property too and/or earning a decent (indecent) commission. It is not a good idea. I suggest you report them to ASIC.

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    It was a full gift, no need to repay it

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    Thats a pity as it would rule out some strategies.

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    Was the original ‘gift’ really a gift or was it a loan? If it was a loan that loan could be refinanced with a commercial lender.

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    You probably can redraw to buy a car but you shouldn’t as it will create a mixed purpose loan. As Corey says split the loan if you need to borrow to buy a depreciatiing asset such as a car.

    The interest on the car loan may or may not be deductible depending on if it is business related.

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    I disagree with that comment – actually it is a correct comment, but only half the story because it doesn’t mention whether interest while constructing is deductible.

    Steele never rented her land out at all (except for agistment)

    Here is an ATO statement in TR 2000/17

    Income tax: deductions for interest following the Steele decision:

    12. It follows from Steele that interest incurred in a period prior to the derivation of relevant assessable income will be ‘incurred in gaining or producing the assessable income’ in the following circumstances:

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    The interest is not incurred ‘too soon’, is not preliminary to the income earning activities and is not a prelude to those activities;
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    the interest is not private or domestic;
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    the period of interest outgoings prior to the derivation of relevant assessable income is not so long, taking into account the kind of income earning activities involved, that the necessary connection between outgoings and assessable income is lost;
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    the interest is incurred with one end in view, the gaining or producing of assessable income; and
    ·
    continuing efforts are undertaken in pursuit of that end.

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    Thnx all for your contributions. Terryw could you please elaborate on:”Cost base is $300,000 plus all costs not claimed such as stamp duty, lawyer fees, estate agent commission etc.” I would like to know exactly what costs I can claim in the cost base so I can do a calculation. Are any of the selling costs like REAgent’s fees included?

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    Easier to look directly at the relevant law:
    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/itaa1997240/s110.25.html

    This lists out the things you can claim.

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    Is it a partnership at law, or a tax partnership or just joint owners?

    Change of title will result in stamp duty possibly, but CGT may not be triggered if you are just shuffling ownership percentages around before selling to a 3rd party.

    This is complicated stuff and you may need to see a lawyer in addition to the tax agent. Perhaps a deed of partition is needed.

    Also GST aspects need to be considered.

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    hi Richard – Steele held her land for about 10 years from memory, and never developed it, but intended to and had undertaken activities such as applying for DAs, getting plans done etc. I think the only income she received was from agisting horses on it.

    There are more cases, another one where someone claimed expenses on an off the plan property which they intended to be an investment – but they changed their minds and moved in, yet were still able to claim the expenses.

    Where someone is building an investment property which they intend to rent out I don’t think there is any issue with claiming expenses before it is rented out. It is not too soon or too preliminary if they can demonstrate intention to rent it out.

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    Generally until death, but only in the final tax return. If your estate sells a property the loss won’t offset the gain.

    There are also various rules about carrying forward losses, especially in trusts.

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    e.g. Buy for $300,000
    Sell for $300,000

    Cost base is $300,000 plus all costs not claimed such as stamp duty, lawyer fees, estate agent commission etc.

    This could be say $40,000 So you would suffer a capital loss of $40k in this example. This cannot offset income but can offset future capital gains.

    Losses are applied before the 50% discount too

    So $40k carried forward as a loss.

    You then make $80,000 in capital gains for shares held more than 12 months

    The loss is applied first so the gain will be $40k then the 50% discount making the gain $20k and this is added to your other income.

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    . And you cannot claim any “claimable immediately” items till it is available for rent anyway.

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    This is not the case Jac – steele’s case shows expenses can be claimed well before any income earning activity. It depends on the circumstances. If a person is borrowing to build an investment property – ie.e one they intend to rent out then the interest and other costs are generally deductible – even though income from rent may be not expected till the next financial year (or later)

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    Nope cannot claim this as it is a capital cost.

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    Hello all,

    Quick question for any experienced and knowledgable property people relevant to the thread.

    I heard recently that when a investment/property is gifted by a parent to their child when they marry it is not subject to Stamp duty, pending certain conditions like the period of time before or after the wedding.

    It sounds ludricous in todays day and age, but can anyone shed any light on this or even heard of it?

    Any resposnes appreciated

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    As you suspect – Just a bizarre story with no basis of fact – unless the parents are gifting upon death.

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    Thanks, Terryw.

    I’m looking for any information that would tell me how I could minimise land tax with my next purchase (i.e. how to structure the ownership of the next IP, and the next one, and so forth), what the future tax effects would be (e.g. how a property owned under a Trust would be different to that owned by an individual – future CGT, negative gearing, claiming losses, income rules, etc.).

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    In this case you need personal advice from someone qualified to advise on land tax – a registered tax agent or a solicitor. There are no books on the topic but there are some good articles around – technical stuff for lawyers and accountants mainly.

    But all you have to do is to look at the land tax act cited above.

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    Yes, it is possible the CGT exemption won’t apply. But it will depend on the situation. If you are a builder then the ATO would be looking more closely at this.

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    What in particular do you want information on MsTrump?

    If it is trusts and land tax in SA then first port of call should be to Revenue SA – the govt department responsible for administering land tax
    e.g.
    https://www.revenuesa.sa.gov.au/taxes-and-duties/land-tax/land-held-on-trust

    Then have a look at the law
    Section 13 of the Land Tax Act 1936
    http://www5.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/sa/consol_act/lta193690/s13.html

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    There are ways to structure things so you don’t pay land tax. Depending on the state:
    spouse
    company
    trust
    smsf

    you can always buy in a different states too. NT has no land tax.

    But of course land tax is only one thing to consider.

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    I think you would be in trouble under strategy 1 when it comes to the main residence exemption, as it looks to me like purely being a profit making scheme.

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    e.g. TD 92/135
    Income tax: capital gains: is the main residence exemption relevant when the proceeds of sale of a dwelling are treated as income under ordinary concepts?
    1. No. In cases where the sale of a dwelling gives rise to income under section 6-5 of the Income Tax Assessment Act 1997 (ITAA 1997), for example. as part of a business or from an isolated profit-making transaction, that income remains assessable even if a main residence exemption is available for CGT purposes.

    2. The main residence exemption in Subdivision 118-B of the ITAA 1997 is a capital gains tax exemption only and does not extend to exempt from tax ordinary profits or business income.

    Example :

    A builder constructs a spec home in which he and his family reside while construction proceeds on another spec home. Any profit on sale which gives rise to income is fully assessable to the builder even if a main residence exemption is available for CGT purposes.

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    You don’t give the state of purchase.

    Tenants in common and Joint tenants generally treated the same as most states assess the owner as one unit. In NSW the primary taxpayer = both of you. One threshold between you. If either of you own property separately then your share of the jointly owned property will count to the threshold for the second property.

    Probably sounds confusing!

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