More than one caveat can be listed on a property. I seen one once with about 8 listed. Caveats are not a form of security itself, but notice to the world that somone has a non legal interest in the property. Generally first in gets priority over later registered caveats.

Not sure how she could ‘patent’ a system. Years ago a lawyer tried to patent a trust strategy and failed. Vesty is just a name.

propman1 wrote:

Hi Terry,

Thanks for your reply.
1. The property is in Queensland, so it will be under Qld stamp duty rules.
2. The property is worth around $800k. If she gifts me $800k to buy the property, what are the tax implications for the cash loan?
3. There are no social security issues. She is not entitled to the pension or anything.
4. How do I establish no undue influence. If she goes to her own solicitor (on her own, with no one else with her) is that satisfactory?
5. The tax issues of me renting it later is not an issue for me.

6. “It might be better for you to buy off her at full market value, borrowing to do so, and she can gift you the cash.” Why do you say that??

1. ok
2. loan? loans generally attract interest. Interest received is income. If it is a gift then it is not a loan. No taxes on gifts.
3. ok
4. that is a start, Many other legal issues to consider
5. it could be an issue many years from now. circumstances chage
6. asset protection for 1 thing

You really should get some legal advice as there is a lot you don’t know you don’t know.
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Catalyst wrote:

I had 4 separate IP loans with Comm. When I refinanced all the loans came back with every property listed on it. I told the broker (from the bank) that I did not want them crossed. She assured me they weren’t. HELLO!! It says so on the paperwork.
I refused to sign them. She had to go back and change them so each loan onl had one property listed as security.

They do try it on. Read EVERYTHING carefully.

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good thing you know what to look for. Most people have no idea and get ‘stiched up’!

Cattleya wrote:

Tracey, no worries, the more the merrier.

Terry, many thanks much appreciated. I will contact you trough your company.
err.. which one do you prefer, the Loan Experts or the Property Tax Solutions, please?

Thanks,
Catts

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Depends what you are after. Setting up companies is legal advice – my law firm http://www.finlaw.com.au. The Loan Experts Pty Ltd is a mortgage broking firm.

Why it may be a good idea to use a company to own property

Companies are generally not recommended for holding growth assets in. This is mainly because:

1. No access to the 50% CGT discount
2. Income does not retain its character – e.g. capital gains incurred by the company come out to the shareholders as dividends and no capital gains.

But companies can be good structures for the ownership of property in several ways.
1. Asset protection – liability is generally limited to the company itself and the directors and shareholders are generally not liable for the debts of the company.

2. Ability to retain income. unlike trusts a company can hold its income, pay tax on it and distribute it at a later date.

3. Ability to own the shares via a discretionary trust which will aid asset protection if the individual were to go bankrupt.

4. Land tax threshold is available in most states – this is a biggie in NSW.

Take for instance a person who has used up their land tax threshold. They will pay land tax in their own name or if the property is owned by the trustee of a discretionary trust.

I have done some modelling with a hypothetical property valued at $500,000 with the land being 50% of the value of the property, CPI at 4% (land tax threshold increase) and values increasing by 6% pa.

If the property was owned for 10 years and then sold it the approx capital gain would be $339,606

An individual at the top tax rate would pay approx $79,807 in tax. Plus approx $60,987 in land tax over the 10 years = $140,794

A DT distributing to an individual on the top tax rate would be the same.

A DT distributing to a company would mean approx $101,882 plus land tax of $60,987 = $162,868

However, a company would pay $101,882 (30%) in tax plus there would be no land tax at all as the property is under the threshold.

However to be fair the trustee of the trust may be able to distribute to 5 individuals who each have no other income. In practice I have never seen this happen, but it is a possiblity. This could mean there is no tax payable at all, other than the land tax of $60,987

But if the trustee distributed all the gain to a non working spouse then they would pay $54170.17 in tax plus the land tax of $60,987 = $115,157

Summary Income tax and land tax payable:
Individual owner at top marginal rate before the gain = $140,794
DT flowing thru to a person on the top marginal rate = $162,868
DT flowing thru to a person with no other income = $115,157
DT flowing thru to 5 persons (adults) with no other income = $60,987
Company = $101,882

But it gets better.

Say the shares of the company were owned by a discretionary trust. The trustee of the trust could receive franked dividends from the company. There would be a tax credit for taxes the company has paid. This money could then come out potentially totally tax free to the 5 adults who are not working, assuming they are beneficiaries of this trust. That means no land tax at all and no income tax at all.

But even if there are no non working adults the company can retain the income and once the person or persons behind the company has stopped work they can cause the company to make a dividend payment to them, via the trust, when their income is low enough to maximise the use of the franking credits. It is therefore also possible that they could end up getting the money out of the company totally tax free and land tax free.

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get your own legal and tax advice before trying this at home

Jacqui Middleton wrote:

Slightly messy. To minimise CGT you would have to “give” your land to the developer before construction, and would then have little to no certainty you’d get a unit in return. Be very careful and talk to a solicitor first.

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Not necessarily. Many ways to structure something like this. Will depend on a lot of things though

I have written about the benefits of using a company before. The major benefit in NSW is that a company gets a separate land tax threshold where as a trust gets no threshold. This could save nearly $7k per year in land tax which makes up for losing out in CGT when sold. Also a company can retain income and pass on franking dividends down the track so potentially zero tax.

I think I have answered this question before. Doing what you are proposing won’t change the deductibiilty of interest at all. You are just shuffling money around. It is the purpose and use of the borrowed funds that determines deductibility.

If you sell a property the interest associated with a loan used to purchase that property (whether original or refinanced) will no long be deductible as there is no income to deduct it against s 8-1 ITAA97

Jacqui Middleton wrote:

Which state is the property in ? If it is in Vic you might be eligible to do a spousal transfer….

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Jac – should be exempt from duty in all states due to marriage breakdown.

keren wrote:

mainly seeking structuring advice. Any advice would be great.

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Only lawyers can give structuring advice. Top lawyer would be cheaper.