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Hi Terry,
We are looking for someone who is able to tell us the best way, for our personal situation at the time, to purchase each property for maximum benefit. I know there are pros & cons for purchasing property in your own name, as well as purchasing through a trust – I’m just not sure which way to use when.
As it would all have tax implications, I’ve assumed we would need an accountant to help us understand which vehicle is better when. Happy to hear any feedback if I’ve got it wrong, or there is a better way to go?
Thanks,
Angela.What about a lawyer. Lawyers can advise on the tax aspects as well as the legal aspects of structuring – how to own property and how to structure loans.
Examples include trusts, companies and SMSFs in addition to joint tenants, tenants in common etc.
A simple example is a non working spouse lending money to the working spouse to buy a negatively geared property. This can divert income to the non working spouse who will pay little to no tax and divert expenses to the working spouse who will maximise their deductions.
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why an accountant?
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Make sure you have your loan structure right, especially with retirement coming up.
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never use cash to fund a property purchase, especially if it is an investment – if you can avoid it, and you always can.
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You could also keep things as is and just build on your dad’s land. You might be $100k short now, but you could possibly borrow from your dad or do a bit of owner building.
If your dad dies first you could then inherit the land. If you die first you dad gets a house. You could have an legal agreement drawn up – common in granny flat type situations where a parent sells and uses proceeds to build on adult child’s land but this is in reverse and on a bigger scale.
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What about the land tax in NSW!!
Hi Terryw, That is the area I am confused. Is the land tax threshold applied to off the plan property? What if the property transferred to a unit trust?
thanks,PengTrusts get no threshold in NSW
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What about the land tax in NSW!!
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Why not use the offset on IP 2 to pay off the PPOR debt now?
I would start saving cash in another offset against an IP – the one with the highest rate and/or the one in the name of the lowest income earner of you and spouse.
While doing this work out a plan. How much income do you need and how many more properties. Then buy those properties.
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You should get some tax advice before proceeding. By borrowing and parking money in an offset account you could destroy the deductibility of interest on the loan.
An make sure you do split the main loan with the increase, otherwise you will end up with a mixed purpose loan and you will be throwing good money away.
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3. No, trusts will only pay tax if the income is not distributed. If there is a loss it will be carried forward
It is still possible – but many things to consider – structure of the trust, structure of trustee, land tax, type of loan to the trust etc etc
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Sounds good Richard
If Richard’s system is not for you then you could possibly get your mum to repay you what you have lent her (will only work if she was paying extra off the loan). Get the loan done and then you could gift or lend back to mum. Another option is for a family pledge type loan.
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Read the contract carefully – not necessarily locked in as many things can happen such as death and bankruptcy, more problems with the building can arise too, others can also make claims on the property and take priority. The longer the settlement the more the risk of these things happening.
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What state?
Seek legal advice as generally stamp duty payable again as it could be considered a subsale. In VIC perhaps not.
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intention. A mere transfer is not a loan. You need to carefully document whether the transfer is a loan or a gift etc. Loan agreements can be oral, but for tax reasons they should be in writing – and other reasons too.
You can claim depreciation against the income that is generated from the asset. If this results in a loss it can be used to offset other income, including trust income that you receive personally.
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1. Not to you. It could be deductible to the trust if you are on lending. If you are just paying the trust’s loan it won’t be deductible at all.
2. No. You dont own the property so cannot claim depreciation. The trust could claim depreciation.
If you are living overseas who is the trustee of the trust? If a company is there a resident director? If no company and you are trustee you may have a foreign trust for tax purposes. Better get some advice on this as foreign trusts are taxed differently and you could be breaching the corporations act3.Think carefully about structuring the ownership and structuring the loans, well before entering a contract.
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I doubt you will find a lender willing to allow you to go on the mortgage or guarantee the loan if you are not on title to the property.
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In Vict it is possible. s44 Duties act from memory. Not in other states.
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Is that right?
Nope.
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Yes, possible.
Change of owner means new loan applications.
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Could you briefly explain how to limit the risk please terry.
A very simple strategy is to have just 1 director and make sure the non director provides no personal guarantees. This may not always work due to servicing, but it would still be a good idea not to have 2 directors, but allow the other non director to give a guarantee. the non director would be liable to the bank, but not to others such as trade creditors, builders, ato etc.
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