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SIS, I always thought self managed super funds had a maximum of 4 members.
Terryw
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I am not an accountant either, but I have spoken to my tax advisor about something similar. He said there is no requirement to pay cash for anything investment related, including interest, and you can claim interest on money borrowed to pay interest on investments.
This was informal advice off the top of his head, so he may be wrong.
Please speak to someone qualified to answer before doing anything. And let us know the result.
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It seems this topic is being debated on two threads at the same time.
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You could also buy warrants, which could allow some gearing.
Terryw
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I hear he has recently been promoting Lease Options and more recently Sandwich Lease options.
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Robert
The No Doc loans insured by GE and PMI actually have a maximum exposure level of $500,000 each. This is not much and will be reached quickly. This can be extended with a couple by getting loans in one name only. So a couple could get up to $2mil in No Doc loans fairly easiy – if they had the equity and proper structure.
There are also other No Doc loans and asset lends. Yes the rates are higher.
People also have the option of increasing or obtaining LOCs while they are still working.
So all of this would give a person a good start.
And don’t forget, these people would not be retired. They would usually be classed as self employed. They may even find themselves able to qualify for full docs for a while.
BTW, in another post you asked when stamp duty on mortgages was abolished. Michael was referring to Vic where it was abolished in July last year (I think).
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Robert asks if I am affiated with Steve Navra. No I am not, but I did his course about 4 years ago, and I wish I had implemented his strategies. I have not had anything to do with him or his organisation since.
I really recommend his courses though. He covers shares as well as property, and goes into detail about his various strategies. The courses last for 2 days, but he only charges around $200, which is very reasonable.
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Hi
I have just come across this thread. It is great to see someone actually living off equity.
Rob, you say someone big enough for this should be able to live on their rents. But someone going for a high growth strategy will usually have low yielding properties, so they may have a lot of equity, but the rents would not necessarily be enough to live on.
I agree that compounding interest on the money lived off each year will be freightening, but the compoudning growth on a large asset base should be more than enough to cover this.
I still can’t see a problem with living off equity if done sensibly (ie only taking a portion of each year’s growth).
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Are you trying to ask how could you use equity from the investments to buy a home and have the interest deductible?
If so, then you I beleive cannot unless you sell (=stamp duty, CGT etc). If owned jointly wiht a spouse, you could look at possibly buying his/her share and borrowing to do so. The money released could be used to pay for the PPOR and the investment loan would be higher. This may be possible in some states without paying stamp duty, but I am not sure on CGT.
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It could be possible to add value, but it would depend on local prices in general and the sort of value you could add. It seems there may be a risk of overcapitalising, ie you could spend $20,000 to find it only increases in value by $10,000.
It would be safer to find a run down one to do up.
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I’d probably do something similar.
Have you considered just buying the girlfriend out? Save stamp duty and costs.
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I also noticed that RAMS now have an additional mortgage insurance company on their panel, ie a third one. So this may help people maxing out.
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try solicitor Tony Cordato http://www.businesslawyer.com.au
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Start your own religion! Think of the tax exemptions.
Terryw
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Sounds like a good plan. Paying it down as fast as possible, while adding value will give you equity quicker. You can then use this to purchase your next one and so on.
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The trouble with selling property is the costs and taxed invovled not to mention the loss of any future capital gains.
For anyone wanting to research this further, there is a licenced financial planner, Steve Navra, who could possibly help. see: http://www.navra.com.au
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Wrapping has received a lot of bad press lately, be careful.
There have been a number of people who have wrapped in Sydney and made money. I have wrapped myself, but have found that the returns are not that great for the risk involved and the opportunity cost of tying up equity and borrowing capacity.
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That almost sounds like it was pleasant. It is a bit different what we imagine it would be like.
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I think it would be – do you have a copy?
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Having around $1.6mil in property securing a $300,000 loan is a bit much.
I would look at borrowing against your home as a separate loan and using this as deposit for the investment property. That will give you flexibility if you wish to purchase more property in the future.
It would also be safer, as if you were to default on your investment property, the lender could not automatically take your home – unless with the same bank.
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