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That makes it hard for us NSWers! we have this stamp duty and the Vendor Tax. No wonder not many people are investing in NSW.
Terryw
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Rather than a company, look at discretionary trusts instead.
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They are out there, you just have to look.
Just this week I heard of someone who just purchased and is getting a 19% yield (in outer Sydney).
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There are loans out there which do not require genuine savings. These are usually 90% LVR, but I think there are a few at 95%.
Keep in mind that it doesn’t have ot be cash savings, it could be shares, or managed funds etc too.
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Originally posted by Cata:He broke his back doing a seminar in sydney.
The info is still flowing as per normal.Cata, how did break his back? Is he alright now?
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From an interest calculation angle, and offset and a LOC will be exactly the same.
But from other angles they will be different.
eg. by using an IO loan with an offset (as suggested by Steven) you would not be paying down the loan, but would be saving interest as if you were paying the loan down by the amount deposite into the offset. This may help if you were to move properties as you could just take your money out of the offset, leaving the loan balance the same and use this money for you new property. This would mean the interest deductions on your remaining loan would be high, resulting in tax advantages.
LOCs also have higher interest rates, usually, and often have fees attached.
I personally have both, but only use the LOC for business/investment purposes. All my day to day income goes into the offset account.
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Hi Jen
These should keep your busy:
Freehills Lawyers
http://www.freehills.com.au/tax_2772.aspMoores Legal
http://www.mooreslegal.com.au/expertise_notforprofit.htmBrett Davies Lawyers
http://www.taxlawyers.com.au/manuals/Charity.htmPhilanthropy Australia
http://www.philanthropy.org.au/advocacy/draft.htmCharitable Fundraising in NSW
http://www.dgr.nsw.gov.au/HTML/CHARITIES/charities_fundraising.htmlTerryw
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You settle on the property or lose your deposit and risk being sued.
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Allan
I think you should probably fight for your fair share of things, but that will come later.
My parents were divorced when I was young. My dad married another divorcese with 3 children,set up a new home etc, and then he was killed in a accident (nearly 20 years ago). Before he died they talked about this topic and it was decided that if either died, the house etc would go to the other spouse and then when the other spouse died all would be equally divided between her children (3) and his (2).
His will left everything to her. She also received an insurance payout of a couple of hundered thousand. The house was almost paid off at the time of death, so she bought a new car and went on a new holiday, then found a new boyfriend. She eventually signed over half the house to him, and then they sold it a few years later – possibly to avoid any being left to me and my brother.
The trouble was there was no written agreement to backup there verbal agreement about the remaining spouse leaving everything to the children equally.
My suggestion would be to wait until your father dies. It would not be nice to be generationg these thoughts while he is still lying there. Wait to see what is in the will and then to seek legal advice. You should gather eidence – witness names etc and this will would probably be able to be over turned.
But that would probably mean most would go to his surviving wife. you may be able to put in a claim and get something.
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Ben
You could move out and rent, but you could also stay put and buy another property. If you rented your home and it was positive geared, you may have to pay more tax, but this could be offset if you are renting cheaply eslewhere.
Also, under section 118-145 of the ITAA you may be able to rent out your home and to claim an exemption from CGT for up to 6 years, if you do not have another main residence at the same time.
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The other day I was pondering living off equity and had a thought. What would happen if one was to continue to increase the loan on an investment property year after year and then died. The person’s estate would have to pay CGT on the property, but with the loan up high, there could be a shortfall after paying CGT and the loan back. ie you could possibly leave a mess for your children.
This could possibly be avoided if you had a large enough portfolio and were only looking at low LVRs, but still must be considered nevertheless.
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Cata
Here is a quote from a well known accountant on another forum, dated July 2003:
“I would be very interested to see any stautory law or cases that require a cheque be deposited in the trust account within 28 days on behalf of the settlor.
The problem with depositing money in a bank account is that if the balance falls below $10 then there is no longer a trust.
To be prudent, i recommend that $10 cash be stapled to the deed, but again this is not a legal requirement.If the trust is challenged it must be proven that the trust was settled with $10. If the Settlor is not able to provide this evidence (eg has passed away) then the trust may be challenged. The settlor can settle the deed with the $10 and then take the $10.
Stamp duty is not due within 28 days.
In NSW i recommend that my clients stamp their deeds within 3 months to avoid paying late penalties.
Again there is no strict legal requirement to stamp the deed within a specified period.If a deed is not stamped, it may well be a contributing factor in determining and justifying that the trust really exists.
To ensure the deed is established with no scope for challenge, i recommend:
1. Staple $10 cash to deed +
2. Pay the stamp duty.”http://www.somersoft.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10607&highlight=trust+cheque
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Cata
I will try to find out more. I suppose you could become unstuck here is it turned out the $10 note was manufactured well after the trust deed stamped (eg from serial number).
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There is also the ‘Bare Trust’ method.
This involves sitting around with no clothes on and signing contracts.
Oh no, it doesn’t, my mistake.
It is when a trust is formed between two people – the trustee and the beneficiary. The contract is signed in the trustee’s name, and then after settlement title is transfered to the beneficiary’s name. The ATO recognises the owner to be the beneificary and there is no stamp duty or CGT issues when transferred (if done correctly – see your solicitor).
It is especially good when buying properties next door and you don’t want it to be known who the real purchaser is.
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It looks like you maybe locked in, but you may be able to get out if the seller agrees. You had better contact your solicitor.
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It could be done if you had about $6,400,000 in useable equity in other property.
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Cata
Whats the difference? I use the two terms interchangeably.
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If included you could claim them as a tax deductions, whereas tenants couldn’t if paid themselves. Therefore if your paying $100 it may only cost you $80 after tax.
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Cata
I’ve been advised never to use a cheque for the settled sum. I think it had something to do with causing problems if the account was ever closed. Have you heard of that? I staple $10 notes to my trust deeds.
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I enquired with ANZ before about this and they stated could only do 95% to bring the loan upto the original level – can not borrow more. (I have had conflicting advice from them more than once however).
I’ve also heard Royal Guardian can do refinance up to 95%, tho not used them. And also the new First Mac products may also allow this.
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