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There are various rules which were designed to prevent losses being utlised by unrelated entities. Its a very complex area. Maybe you should search on the ATO site in the legal database for ‘trust losses’
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I haven’t heard of this before, do you have any further info, name of firm etc?
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Your wife would have to be on the home loan as she is on title.
With the trust, the loan would usually need to be in the trust name with guarrantees from the trustee (or directors of the trustee company). So this would depend on how you have set the trust up.
ANZ have recently caused problems with one of my clients with a HDT – They refused to put the loan in the person’s name (director of the trustee).
It seems they sometimes do and sometimes don’t.
If you wish to maximise tax benefits, maybe yourself and your wife could enter into a loan agreement with yourself or your trust. SO you wboth borrow the money from ANZ and then on lend it to the trust/trustee. that way interest deductibility may be transfered.
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There would be no problem with getting the loan in the trusts name. Can also be done as a low doc if other criteria stacks up.
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Richard is the right person
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I think CGT will become a huge problem for many people in the future. eg you purchase a $200,000 property 7 years ago, now worth $1,000,000. thats a $800,000 gain = $200,000 in extra tax if sold. And it will only get worse!
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I’ve spoken to a few banks about this, Liberty, Adelaide and Bankwest have said they would do it (in theory anyway, haven’t actually tried). It may depend if the second mortgage will be registered.
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Hi Jenny
What happened with the default? It maybe that there may be another person with the same name as your husband. Should have probably supplied them with a copy of your CRAAs for additional proof.
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You can also get a copy online with the land titles office in your state. costs about $6.
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Shouldn’t be hard to do. You just need to complete the transfer and claim the stamp duty exemption. Will need to organise the finance as well.
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It would be best to call them in person. That way you won’t get the standard (and conservative) response.
If that was the with the licencing, maybe you could get around this by setting up 2 trusts with different trustees. Or just do 5 or less properties per year. Or just get the licence??
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And do a search. This is a common problem and seems to pop up about once a month here.
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Originally posted by FFComm:The standard structure is a trust with a company controlling the trust (know as the trustee or corporate trustee).
The reason why we have that structure is that it reduces our CGT to 15% (rather than 30% for companies, 15% for trusts & indivduals) and we have a corporation as trustee because we have higher protection from lawsuits.
It would prob. be best to see an accountant.
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I am not sure where you get the 15% CGT from. A company/trust structure would not result in CGT being reduced to this rate.
eg. Assuming there was a capital gain of $100,000, with the 50% discount, the assesable gain would be reduced to $50,000 if it was distributed to an individual.
If the gain was distributed to a company, there is not discount. The company would pay $30,00 tax.
The individual may pay a maximum of 50% tax on this (or 48% plus medicare levy). So this $50,000 gain would become $25,000 after tax.
This equals 25%.
Of course, if the individual had a lower taxable income, then there would be a lower rate still, but not necessarily 15%.
Where did you get this rate from?
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From a taxation viewpoint, there would be no benefit.
Getting a LOC on the current property to use as a deposit on the new property you live in would not make the interest deductible.
The LOC interest must be attributed to the purpose the funds are used for.
Therefore if you rent out your current home, there would be no interest claimable, and you would be receiving rent, so it would probably be cashflow positve from day 1.
This would likely result in extra tax being paid.
Also, you would need to borrow to buy the new house, and the interest on this loan would not be deductible.
Depending on your future plans, you may want to consider:
– selling the current house (to your wife, your trust, or to a thrid party), or– Rent in Ballarat, or
– Just keep, and buy in Ballarat.
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Look for any arears, judgements, defaults etc. If you find any, ask their reasons, and maybe seek further proof.
Also look at how many credit cards are listed, and finance applications for radio rentals etc. They could be over committed.
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Hi Jarrod
The office of fair trading would be the best place to start with your enquiries.
Once you get a few proeprties in the one area, it may be a good idea to employ someone (or subcontract) who can help out in various areas. Imagine employing an apprentice on $20,000 pa. How much value could they add in one year?
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Jarrod
Yes No docs would work, but may need a large deposit, low docs may also work if the person is willing to exaggerate their income.
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You should be able to get a good savings rate without locking your money up. try ING, Bankwest (were offering 6%) and Esanda.
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One of my clients had a JV between 3 different groups of people. They had a unit trust, with a corporate trustee. The company had 3 directors. Each party then owned 1/3 of the units of the trust using their own discretionary trusts.
They could then purchase property jointly within the unit trust. If one person wanted out, they could sell their units in the unit trust to the other parties, without having to worry about changing the title to the property.
If two of the parties wanted to buy another property, then they could go jointly with ownership by their discretionary trusts, or they could set up a new unit trust.
One drawback is that each party would be responsible for the whole loan. This can hurt serviceability a fiar bit.
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That is very small! The unit i mean. St George may be able to do it, or there are private lenders that will lend for these, rates are about 8% though.
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