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    Further to Simon’s suggestion, you could also sell your home to a trust, the trust could borrow to buy from you creating a large deductible mortgage.

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    Are you saying you buy houses for cash by using your LOC? If so, then this is an excellent way. What you can do then is to get a mortgage on the property, release your money back into the LOC and to go again.

    If you can buy well, and/or do quick improvements, you may be able to end up with 100% finance. eg buy for $80,000, do up, value comes in at $100,000, the bank lends you $80,000 against this = all your money back for the next one.

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    Tony

    Not quiet sure what you mean, but have a look at this post:
    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forum/topic/20340.html

    BTW, a friend in the ATO once said apply for a private ruling is like waving a red flag at a bull.

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    Hi Mike

    Can I add a question?

    Would it be necessary to get the loan agreement stamped by the office of state revenue? (And pay duty?).

    Thanks

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    Bank calculators are rather complex, but some work it out similar to this:
    Net Salary
    Plus 80% rent
    for income, and this must be greater than:
    Outgoings – total debt payments (sometimes taken as if 8.25% PI loans)
    plus, 3% credit card limit
    plus any rent payable
    plus a living allowance (more if couple, kids etc).

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    Ask them to give you power of attorney so you can sign on their behalf.

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    I don’t think that is true. Better talk to a good accountant,

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    Hi RAMK

    The title would be in the name of the trustee, – trusts aren’t mentioned on title. But the trustee is only the legal owner, not the beneficial owner. If someone is sued, assets properly held in a trust are much safer as they are not the persons personal assets.

    If you have a company as trustee, then this usually doesn’t or shouldn’t, hold any assets in its own right. Just in case it is sued. Directors can usually only be sued if they have done something illegal like insolvent trading etc.

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    You would technically be self employed and would have to show tax returns for the last 2 years. I spoke to ANZ and St george this week about this topic and both indicated they would look at someone after 12 months.

    Homeside appear to be more lenient and will look at someone straight away if they are in the same industry as before and can prove they were earning similar money to before they were a contractor.

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    It only becomes your PPOR once you live in it. Therefore if you have rented it out before living in it, you would most likely have to pay CGT for this period.

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    Still can’t remember the name of that 4th one, but to check what Genworth will approve for by location go to:
    http://www.genworth.com.au/default.aspx?item=access&id=loc_guide_au

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    Giddo

    I beleive that is the case in NSW too. Stamp duty may still apply on the transfer of shares (Except companies formed in VIC?), but this should be much lower.

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    Hi Richard

    Isn’t there a 4th one also? PMI, GE, Mobius and another – I think firstmac were using them – can’t remember who.

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    Cata

    I meant if you owned, say Telstra, shares only. There would be no way the trustee could be sued if their capacity as trustee. However, they could be sued as an individual for other reasons.

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    I think I have posted something about this too, for VIC. Previously in VIC, if you had signed and/or nominee and had a written agreement with your nominee prior to signing the contract, then you could nominate the nominee and avoid paying stamp duty twice. But this was a few years ago, and I think things have changed – many were no doubt just back dating their nominee agreements.

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    If you have lived in the house before renting out, then you could probably claim it as being your PPOR for the whole time. If rented first, then only could claim from the date of first living in it.

    BUT (and there is always a but) you can only have one PPOR at one time. So if you were to ever sell the other house, you could not also claim that was your PPOR for the same period.

    ps. I am not an accountant

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    Check out the agreement and the free hints available at:
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    Originally posted by tonyy21692:

    Hi Carl

    Common trap for young player, as the interest at your personal level is not deductible.

    Look at a HDT to overcome.

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    Tony

    Tony,

    Not sure what you mean by this.

    Carl will be borrowing from his bank and lending money to his trust. The trust will pay him interest. This is income. However Carl has a cost of paying interest, and this will offset the income he receives. Net result is nil for Carl, with the trust claiming the interest.

    Carl

    Your strategy sounds alright by me – but I am not an accountant.

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    If you hold property more than 12 months then your get 50% discount on CGT. So if you are in the top tax bracket, then you could only pay a max of 25% CGT after the discount.

    Why not use a trust next time. That way you might have a choice of paying tax yourself or distributing it to a company.

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    From my knowledge:

    1) Yes
    2) Trustee would have discretion, but to claim a deduction you would have to show that you were investing money with a few of getting an income. If you are not getting any distributions, then the purpose of your investment is in doubt. Not sure if all the mone would have to go to the unit holder though.
    3) Not sure
    4) Not sure, but the units could possibly be redeemed before the sale, and then the gain could be distributed to any beneficiary
    5) Trust could redeem the units, and it would then be a discretionary trust with income being distributed as trustee see fit.
    6) Units need to be created at purchase. You will be borrowing money to buy these units.
    7) I’ve heard overseas residents pay something like 30%+ tax with no tax free thresholds. A quick check with the ATO site should reveal.
    8) If just buying shares, then no. Shares are not risky in the sense of the owner being sued, but various things can go wrong with a property and the owner could be sued. (eg. tenant dies from faulty electrical wiring which you hooked up)
    9) The trustee can be changed, and I beleive the company could be setup later. But this will require loans to be amended, and title deeds changed etc – nominal fees.
    10) Your home is your only CGT free asset. Better to keep in in your name I think.
    11) For a good accountant based near Sydney, I would recommend Coastymike of this forum. Mike is in Gosford.

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