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    I think you will have a hard time finding a business type loan. You can get a investment loan based on the security (rather than the buisness idea), but you will need to prove serviceability – which will be hard if not working.

    Probably you will have to settle on some sort of No Doc loan, with a deposit of 20-30% needed.

    Get an ABN now if you do not already have one.

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    A lot of these types of investments go bust with investors losing all of their money. Just have a look at the asic website, http://www.asic.gov.au

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    None will lend 100%. One or two lend up to 95%, but the rates are high, around 9%+.

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    Don’t worry Mal. They will fix it up and it will look better than before – so you can put up the rent!

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    LOCs generally have higher interest rates. Costs are also generally a bit higher, or same as normal loans.

    If you have lousy cshflow, then maybe a No Doc loan is for you. It is possible to get a LOC with a No Doc or a standard loan – sometimes these canbe used like LOCs if they have free unlimited redraw (eg. Macquarie Mortgages)

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    Thanks Derek, but I was thinking more like reserving a certain % of profit to be shared by all staff.

    Finally finished reading that book about the flight centre, and one of the ideas they have is “what gets rewarded gets done”, which makes sense.

    So you might be giving away some profit, but the extra results will more than make up for this.

    Anyone else out there with ideas on how to make it attractive to start without giving away control, and without giving too much.

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    Hi Carl

    I am not an accountant, but have approached various acountants about similar questions over the years. Some say you can capitalise interest and claim this – this is standard practice in many businesses. However thers say it cannot be done.

    One idea is to get a Investment Property IO loan with bank A. You own home loan is with Bank B, and you have a LOC on this property separate to your existing loan. You then pay the interest for your IP loan from the LOC (ie you borrow money to pay interest), you then pay the monthly interest bill on the LOC. At the same time you put all spare money including rent from the IP into the offset account against your home loan – only paying the minimum amount of interest on your LOC.

    This is not similar to the Hart’s case as there are 2 different banks involved, and you are not strictly capitalising the interest on one loan.

    I haven’t tried it, and don’t know it if works, but it sounds good. :-)

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    I suppose it depends on how much and how fast you withdraw the equity. If your portfolio is growing at $100,000 per year, and you only take $80,000 you should be right. But have to plan for years with no growth too.

    Do a search on Steve Navra for his ideas on this topic.

    One potential problem is if you are withdrawing from an investment to fund lifestyle, then die, your estate may have to pay CGT, but the remaining equity may not be enough to cover the CGT.

    Perhaps a good life insurance policy would be a good idea.

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    Yes, you are heading in the right direction. Possibly start off with a trust, and as you progress you can add more layers.

    Just read everything you can get your hands on concerning this topic.

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    Hi

    Have you considered trying to market to investors who will rent the property out, or sandwich lease it?

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    RAMS will do up to 80% on No Docs, and Maquarie up to 70%. Macquarie have reduced their rates as well for loans over $200K – now 6.98% with No LMI payable.

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    Hi Grevs

    If you have been self employed for less than 1 year of business, you will find it difficult to get a standard loan. Most lenders will want to see 2 years financials.

    There are other options such as No Doc, but these are limited to 80% of the value of the property. So you would have to come up wtih 20% deposit and costs.

    You could possibly get the deposit from the existing property, but your partner would have to agree to this. Whether qualify for a standard loan on this may depend on your partners circumstances as well as yours.

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    Keeping all properties may limit how far you can go because of servicing problems. So you may have to sell a few, eg. do 4 keep 3 and sell 1, using the profit of this one to go further.

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    I have Steve’s old wrap pack which I wouldn’t mind selling, but I have lost one of the workbooks to it (I lent it out to someone who never gave it back – and cannot remember who!!)

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    Hi Carpe_Diem

    Derek had a few good ideas. I love the living on equity concept as you get to keep a property which you would otherwise have sold. If you keep it you get all future growth as well, which you would love if selling (plus all the costs etc).

    Hopefully your properties are in high growth areas.

    Just keep in mind that most No Doc lenders will only lend for investment purposes. You can borrow against your own home, but must be for further investments.

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    The tenant could be bluffing about moving out. What about a compromise, try to get half the increase now and another in 6 months, then link it to the cpi maybe?

    Also, may not be much, but having extra rent per week will help your serviceability for borrowing.

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    Hi

    There is usually a sunset clause in the contract. If the building is not complete by this date, either party can usually pull out without penalty. You can use it to your advantage, but so can developers – many have delayed the construction process so they could pull out of the contract and resell at higher prices.

    As for deposits, you can try and do some negotiating to get this down.

    Also be careful, now may not be the ideal time for buying off hte plan if the market stays flat.

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    MJ

    I asked this question to my accoutant years ago (great minds think alike), he said the ATO would want you to pay back your loan for the shares if you sold them. Can’t really claim interest on something you no longer own – unless whatetver it was went under maybe.

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    ANZ may consider it residential.

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    I don’t think there is any advantage of either with regards to Land Tax now.

    Have a look at http://www.lawcentral.com.au, they have a good newsletter which recently went thru the differences between the two.

    There is not much difference, they are similar, but maybe limited liability is a factor. If sued, the shares/units may be up for grabs either way you go.

    One difference is ASIC regulates companies, trusts aren’t regulated. SO running a company is governed by various rules. Another thing is privacy, with a company your address, date of birth, country of birth, percentage shareholding etc is public information. No one sees who owns the units in the trust or their details

    If you cannot get a hold of that newsletter, I may still have a copy saved.

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