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    I beleive things go on as before. The executor of the estate takes the deceased’s place.

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    What about something like this:

    “in the event that the lease agreement has been terminated prior to the exercise of the option, then the option is deemed to have lapsed and the option fee foreited.”

    Then cover in the lease agreement things that can cause the lease to terminate.

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    Hi Robbo

    Not sure about the super side of things, but why have a unit trust? With a unit trust, all the income is fixed in accordance to % of unit holdings. Its like holding shares in a company. So at tax time you will have no choice in where the income goes. ie no flexibility at all.

    But if you had a discretionary trust or a hybrid trust, (or units of the unit trust owned by one of these), then each year the trustee would have the discretion as to where the income can be distributed. ie it gives you much more flexibility.

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    Carlin

    Off the top of my head, I cannot think of one lender that won’t lend for trusts.

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    What does your contract say? Probably says the vendor can charge your pentaly interest if you do not settle on time, but not the other way around.

    These days nearly all banks offer a rate lock in facility for fixed loans. If you think the rates are likely to rise before settlement, you can pay a fee and they will hold the rate for you.

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    You must be very familiar with the country you are living in, must know the relevent laws and proceedures – eg. eviction of tenants, tax, lending etc.

    For most people, I would say why bother. There are plenty of opportunities here is Australia, so why take the extra risk and/or complicate things.

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    You must be very familiar with the country you are living in, must know the relevent laws and proceedures – eg. eviction of tenants, tax, lending etc.

    For most people, I would say why bother. There are plenty of opportunities here is Australia, so why take the extra risk and/or complicate things.

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    Cosmocom, this could mean more tax. With the profit being classed as a capital gain you are entitled to the 50% discount. If it is not classed as a capital gain, then you don’t get the discount.

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    You should talk to a good accountant about operating through a company and or trust structure. There are various rules now preventing people doing this, but it may still be possible.

    Also maybe consider using a service trust. This will help divert income into a discretionary trust. eg. the trust could employ you and rent your services out to your company.

    With property, you should be able to claim any loss against your personal income.

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    I can’t see what all the fuss is about. You can set up a trust from as little as $275 – a good trust. Land tax may be a little bit extra, a $1000 or so per year. You can do your own tax return, so why not set up a trust??

    Worse case scenario is you pay a bit more land tax, but this is offset by income tax savings, CGT savings, asset protection, estate planning advantages etc etc

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    If property is growing stongly then it would be best to hold as much as youcan a quickly as you can. The net worth will come automatically.

    But in reality, you have to be comfortable servicing the loans and also need to allow a buffer for interest rate increases etc.

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    Hi Carlin

    Seems like you have been thinking about structures for ages!

    I haven’t read any of Margaret Lomas’ books, but from what I have heard and seen, her company targets mum and dad investors. ie the average investor. If you want to be an average investor, then follow her advice, if you want to be rich, you had better do your own research including getting the advice of experts in structuring. She is probably not a solicitor nor accountant.

    I am not sure what her objections would be. But with regard to the govt changing the rules, this could happen, but so could many things. We can only go on what the current situation is, and what we think is likely to happen.

    If the ATO were to disallow the claiming of interest against personal income for a hybrid trust, then you would still be left with a discretionary trust. Still much better than holding assets in your own name.

    Other than tax benefits, there are also many other benefits of a trust, but few disadvatages (extra land tax and extra running costs).

    Just keep on reading as much as you can. No one is going to understand your situation better than yourself.

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    Hi

    So you purchased land in your name for your father in law?

    What is he doing with the land? You could possibly make out that you are leasing it to him, but if he is making full loan repayments, you would not be saving any tax – except maybe rates and water.

    Not sure what you are trying to do??

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    Hi again Stuart

    Been thinking. The trustee is legally required to act in the best interest of the beneficiaries, so there may be still some hope. And as Gross alluded to, it may not be a case of fraud or deceit by the accoutant. He may have really had the best interests of your friends in mind.

    14 years is a long time, and things were certainly much different back then. It seems like your friends must have been getting distributions of income from the trust during this time – or they would have complained sooner.

    If it is a refinance, how did they get the loan in the first place?

    What happens if the accountant’s wife dies? Who is the next appointer?

    Your friends becoming trustees or directors of the trustee company may be easy, but it is the appointer that they really need to become as the appointer has the power to chose the trustee.

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    This reminds me of Micheal Hutchinson, lead singer of INXS. While he was making big money with INXS, he had a complex structure with offshore companies and trusts with nothing in his own name. He probably had other people controlling all this – nominee trustees and directors etc.

    The trouble is, his family could not get their hands on the assets after his death. Firstly they probably didn’t know where most of the assets were, and secondly they assets they did find were controlled by other people.

    I remember reading about this in the Sydney Morning Herald about a year ago. Very interesting.

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    Thanks Stuart

    It may be still suseptible to attack, but anyone doing a search would see the mortgage and probably assume there is no equity there and not go the extra steps and hopefully drop the case there. Suing someone is costly, and people generally only proceed if there is a hope that they can be some money in the end.

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    Pony, I misread your sorry: “you never lived together”? Then you have a problem and may have trouble even lodging a caveat.

    You may still be able make a claim tho, better seek legal advice.

    Maybe one way you could argue is your partner held your share in trust for you. Proving this may be hard but you can use the fact that you contributed to the property.

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    This is terrible. They may have some legal recourse in suing the accountant somehow.

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    You should be worried. Usually 13 days is not enough time to settle!

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    Andrew, These loans still show up on your CRAA. Since banks require personal guarrantees, these loans will be assessed in your serviceability (if you tell the lender about them) and creating a new entity will not help in this regard – although it may be good practice.

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