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    Originally posted by elkam:

    Hello Terry

    I understood your comment about being careful if it’s special student accomodation, but why if it’s a unit as opposed to a house?

    The reason I ask is that I own a unit which I am thinking of renting out by the room to students to increase the yield when the current tenants decide to move.

    Thanks in advance [smiling]

    Elka

    Hi Elkam

    I guess it was badly worded. Units would be ok, I am just concerned about those specialised complexes that rent only to students, these are restrictive and therefore hard to sell.

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    Hi pwarde

    If you have sold the properties via installment contracts, then you cannot increase the loans to access the equity – the equity is not yours.

    If LOs, then it may be possible, but you have to be careful you don’t borrow more than the tenant will be buying the property for.

    If you have run out of capital, then you will have to save more, start working or just wait for someone to cash you out – but by then you will have noticed prices have increased, and you will need even more deposit for the next one.

    Getting 8 properties in 6 months is a very good start. I think Steve was only able to do so many because him and Dave were still working in their accountancy practice in the early days.

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    I am on the ANZ breakfree package and I have a equity manager LOC set up (to access equity), plus other IO loans with the 100% offset account set against one. Salary does not have to go into this account (mine doesn’t). I cannot see any point in opening the more expensive Home Equity Loan.

    If you look at the comparison here:
    http://www.anz.com/aus/homeloans/productinfoequity/default.asp

    you will see there are more restrictions on the expensive one, eg less free withdrawals.

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    I would say there is not just one market, but many markets in Australia. Look at Perth and Sydney for example. And even within cities, there are different suburbs at different stages of the cycle. So it may be a bit hard to generalise too much.

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    Just check the exit fees as well

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    All you need is 20% deposit to get started using a No Doc loan. Maybe you could talk to your parents about lending you this money – if you feel comfortable.

    ps. Did Peter Spann really give you $10mil in 10 years?

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    If it is semi rural, what are the prospects for capital growth. I think there is no point in buying a property that is +ve cashflow if there will be no growth for years to come.

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    You have to be very careful with FPs, they can hinder your wealth creation.

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    If you are talking about a house, then I think it is a good way to increase yields. If a unit, or specialised student accomdation, then be much more careful.

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    Not sure really. Stamp duty may depend on which state you are in. Probably it is best to check with the office of state revenue in your state.

    I doubt you would be able avoid CGT if it is an investment property.

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    You cannot just break a contract, they are legally binding. You have to look for a sunset clause in the contract. I am not sure if all contracts for off the plan proeprty would have these. Basically it is a clause which states that if the property is not completed by xxx, then either party may rescind the contract. Have a good read of your contract and see if you can find anything like this.

    A similar thing happened to me years ago. That is the trouble with buying off th plan, you are locked in and things do change. And because you are locked in, you tend to not to be able to invest in the meantime.

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    I am not sure Steve suggested selling. I know from various seminars etc, then he has suggested paying down loans, even on investment properties, so as to reduce risk.

    Some of my clients have made spectacular gains in WA, with a few selling and paying the proceeds off their home loans. The market over there may keep rising for a while. Afterall, many in other states are now thinking WA is the place to go as it is the only place rising.

    Just becareful as prices can drop if the boom suddenly stops.

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    Depends on if you have other debts, and also if you think your funds can be invested for a higher return elsewhere.

    If you have other debts then you should probably pay the non deductible ones first, then the ones with the highest interest.

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    On the other hand, I may have to disagree with myself.

    First you would have to determine if the real estate agent owes a duty of care to you the tenant. Is this established in law? If it is not established then there is no duty of care.

    It is like someone saying it is safe to cross the road, you cross and get hit by a bus. You cannot sue them as there is no established duty of care between the average person on the street and yourself.

    I don’t know the case law in this area, but you would suspect an agent is a professional, that is what you pay them for, so they have a duty, but this may not necessarily be so.

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    Hi Bear

    In the end, it doesn’t really matter where you put expenses as long as it all adds up. A few years ago one of the property accountants told me that having 4 properties would have made me able to claim that I was a professional investor. Don’t take this as advice, just as a guide.

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    Originally posted by michelle34:

    Hi There

    Just wondering if anyone has any suggestions on how to avoid having to pay stamp duty on the buyout of a joint venture property? seems ridiculous to have to pay stamp duty twice on the same property? (this is in victoria).
    many thanks
    M.

    Roodog has pointed out you would not be paying stamp duty twice, just once on your share in the begining and again on the remainder when buying them out.

    How have you owned the property? Trust or company? if so there may be ways around it.

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    They probably won’t notice for a long while and there are so many lenders out there it probably won’t be an issue as you can spread your loans around.

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    The cashflow people tend to dislike negative gearing as they say you are making a loss in the hope of making a capital gain later. There is no guarrantee the gain will come (just as there is no guarrantee the sun will come up tomorrow morning :-))

    Ideally it would be great to have positive gearing and high growth, but unfortunately it doesn’t always happen like that. So high growth property is usually negative geared.

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    Whether you could claim to be in the business of property investing would probably depend on how many properties you own. my guess would be 4+, but it would depend on the values etc.

    Why not give the ATO a call.

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    I just claim against self education – think that is the correct section.

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