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    Originally posted by anandinvestments:

    I completely agree with you V8ghia….i don’t know why or how the 2 year ABN rule came about but its a real shame because we really do think we’re doing well for ourselves but the 2 year rule is making things 100 times harder than it needs to be.

    Our development timeframes are only 12months and thats from the point of signing the contract to the houses either being sold or ready to be placed on the market as a finished home/development site so to refinance in 2 years is not possible for us.

    Low Doc 70 would be our last resort but we were just hoping someone would give us a break and bend the rules for us [blush2]

    What makes the whole process harder is hearing different bits of info from different banks/mortgage brokers……we go to 2 different branches of the same bank and they’ll tell us 2 different stories and requirements….same with brokers, some say one things almost impossible to do and others say they might be able to work something out for us. Because finance isnt our strong point, it just makes the whole thing a little bit confusing for us but you know what, hubby and i have taken a huge learning out of this and we wouldn’t have learnt what we have had we not been in this kinda desperate position….so we’re grateful in a way and we know that the money will be there at the end of the day even if it means that we may have to go down the path of a less than desirable loan but thats ok. Sorry for babbling on…i’ll stop now!

    have a great weekend everyone [exhappy]

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    I’ve had many clients that have been knocked back by their own banks, and then I have gotten them a loan with the same bank. Got one at the moment with St G. He went to his location branch and they said no. But he is settling with St G thru me next week. I don’t know why this happens, but it happens a lot.

    The same with brokers. Each broker has different levels of experience. Some don’t invest themselves, others are just ignorant of certain products or policies. There are various software packages out there, but they do not help in these sorts of situations. Experience helps a lot in knowing where to place a loan.

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    These properties will probably go up in value again. All good locations. Its a hard decision to make.
    Can you afford to hold on to them?
    Maybe you could sell one to start with and see how you go???

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    You would be liable for tax on the full gain contract price – $100,000 in your eg. But if you had more than 12 months between buying and selling (contract dates) you would be able to claim the 50% reduction, so would only have to pay tax on $50,000.

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    Sue the purchaser for the full 10% -and maybe more.

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    I am away at the moment, but from memory, ING can do low docs without the 2 year ABN requirement. Another is possibly Adelaide Bank.

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    CT, has been done by many. As long as all valuations stack up, the ATO is not missing out – well maybe by a little bit!

    I suppose they could argue that it is a scheme designed to minimise tax, and they may have a point – div 4a. But tax is not the only reason, there are asset protection issues and estate planning issues as well.

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    CT, has been done by many. As long as all valuations stack up, the ATO is not missing out – well maybe by a little bit!

    I suppose they could argue that it is a scheme designed to minimise tax, and they may have a point – div 4a. But tax is not the only reason, there are asset protection issues and estate planning issues as well.

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    There may also be a problem if you both were to die togther – how is it determined who died first?

    it seems the general rule is it is presumed that the oldest died first unless it can be proven otherwise.

    You may be able to specify in your wills what will happen if you both die together.

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    I think you would possibly be able to claim the first 6 years of it being rented as still being your PPOR (if you didn’t claim another). So the CGT would be the sale price less value at this time.

    eg if worth $400,000 at year 6, then sold for $550,000 at year 10 = a profit of $150,000. Less costs of say $50,000 = $100,000.

    Depending on the entity holding, you may get the 50% discount = $50,000 taxable capital gain.

    This is what would be added to your income, assuming held in your own name by yourself only. You would pay a max of $25,000 in tax.

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    Unfortunately everyone on title has to go on loan,

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    CT

    Just be aware not all accountants understand trusts, and even fewer understand hybrid trusts.

    With the loans, the cheapest is often the best, but not always. Depending on what you wish to do, it may be better to avoid the non bank lenders as they have LMI on all deals, and this could prevent you from getting No Docs down the track. Plan carefully.

    It is best to keep each proeprty stand alone – if you plan to buy more than 2.

    And, don’t worry about the 100% lends – all you lends will be basically 100% as you have to get the deposit from somewhere, whether using equity, borrowing against an existing property – unless you are the type of person who has paid off their home loan and has $100,000 sitting in the bank.

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    Hi CT

    With a hybrid, the individual usually claims the interest, and the trust claims the rest.

    With a normal discretionary, the trust claims all expenses – which is often more than the rent, so a loss results.

    I think hybrid discretionary trusts are very good for negative geared property as negative gearing can be utilised. This may not be a problem with +ve cashflow properties, but there are still reasons to use a HDT for these too.

    With a hybrid you may have access to the refinancing principle. I don’t fully understand this concept, but it is somehow possible for the trust to borrow money to buy back the units, and for the interest on this borrowing to be deductible no matter what you use the money for.

    A trustee may be liable for the debts of a trust where there is a shortfall – not good if the trust is sued. That’s why having a company as trustee is preferred. But having assets in a trust is still better than owning them in your name.

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    Originally posted by Rikky:

    only if you rented the property out for a certain period then shifted in your self for about 6 to7 years then in some cases you may not need to pay CGT.

    The other way around. You must live in the property first, then you can rent it out for up to 6 years – no need to move back in again.

    See section 118.145 of the ITAA =
    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/itaa1997240/s118.145.html

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    If you refinance you will be hit with around $4500 in exit fees. Your rate is not too bad, so it may be better to wait a bit for some more equity to build up – generally refinances are only available up to 90% LVR. Oh, and you would be up for LMI again too!!

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    What you need to do, to enable you to buy a few properties, is to find something that grows in value quickly. Capital growth and/or improvements will help. You then use this to leverage into the next. And repeat the process.

    If you borrow more money you will have to pay more interest, but hopefully the benefits will outweigh the costs.

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    My understanding is that if your brother were to die before you, you will become the sole owner. He cannot will his share to someone else. His interest in the property will disolve at death.

    Better confirm this with a solicitor. Maybe there is a way around it by you both agreeing to make wills with each other’s interests taken into account. eg. he dies first, you get the property, but you agree to donate 50% of it to charity when you die.

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    Unfortunately couples can only claim one house as their main residence, not one each. I think even defactos are caught here – otherwise you could have claimed the CGT exemption too.

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    If you want to keep the unit as an investment, probably the first thing you should do is to stop paying extra off the loan, and to change it to interest only.

    You want to keep all extra funds for your new home – as it is non deductible.

    btw, I think you can change your username – just click on your name and you can do it from there.

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    You would have to pay CGT on the sale of any investment proeprty, but not your former home – usually anyway.

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    A joint venture is just two or more parties doing business together. These sorts of things are best done with somesort of document outlining the roles and responsibilies of the parties. Look out for what sort of things could go wrong, and paln for them. eg. what if one party wants out in year 3, do you sell the property, sell your half to the other or sell to a third party. These are the sorts of things that can cause rifts between the parties, and you don’t want this to happen, especially with family.

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