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    Hi Andrew

    I am no expert, but would expect if you did this you would be paying stamp duty on 99% of the value of the property when you switch it over again.

    A far better option may be to look at a Hybrid Discretionary Trust to own the property. This will enable you to claim the negative gearing benefits and for your wife to get the capital gains if selling – and the flexibility to change this around and/or distribute to other family members/companies on lower incomes.

    Better talk to a good accountant about setting one up.

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    Originally posted by paulusi:

    Terry, thanks for your comments.
    yes am highly geared.

    i cannot just sell one, as you can see the properties are cross-collaterilised to each other, if i sell one i have to come up with CASH to COVER THE SHORTFALL on the other property to make LVR stay at 80%, and i don’t have that much money to cover that. so either sell everything or don’t sell at all

    Don’t forget the LVR doesn’t have to be 80% or less, but can go up to 95%, but LMI will be payable – this may help you keep two if you really wanted to.

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    Originally posted by row:

    Thanks Terry for your reply. Seems that our only option to upgrade is to sell our home….

    Or just keep it, and change the loan to IO, and just wear the extra payments on the new loan for the PPOR. This may end up cheaper than selling the old one.

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    Hi Daniel

    My understanding is that original the loan on the property will be deductible. The purpose of this loan was to buy the property. WHen the property becomes income producing, then this loan should be claimable.

    But any increase used to buy consumer items or a new PPOR will not as it is not related to money making.

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    Hi CT
    Yep, since the unit holder is only borrowing 80%, then LMI won’t (usually) apply.- It may be charged on some low docs loans however.

    Banks won’t perceive it as more risky, same rates etc apply.

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    Just got my free sample chapter in the mail.

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    Just relooking at your figures, you are pretty highly geared, but just because your properties are cross collateralised doesn’t mean you cannot sell one or two. You will just need to change the security on the remaining loans. But x-coll makes it messy.

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    Hi PTN

    I am not an accountant and do not have a HDT, but I think it would work similar to this:

    Trust has made a $15,600 income from rent. But there is a $8,000 claim for depreciation. This makes a net profit of $7,600 (assuming no other costs).

    This profit would need to be distributed to the unit holder to justify them making money to be able to claim the interest. In the above ex you don’t mention who the unit holder is, it may or may not be the trustee. Anyway, the unit holder gets a trust distribution of $7,600, but has an interest bill of $22,500. This results in a loss of $14,900. They can offset this loss against other income.

    In future years rents should increase and this loss will gradually become a profit. At this stage I think the trust can redeem the units, then it can act as a normal discretionary trust and start distributing the income to beneficiaries other than the unit holder.

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    You can depreciate items that are used in producing an income, even items that are owned before the production on income. If he has never heard of a depreciation schedule, then he can’t be very knowledgeable about taxation, so you may be missing out on more deductions. ie his/her ignorance may be costing you money.

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    Row, refinancing will not help, as the original purpose will be the same – taking money out for the new house.

    Selling the house (from husband to you) may be an option, but will be costly. Firstly stamp duty will apply and will be a lot. So you have to weigh up the savings in tax against the cost of this. Plus legal fees, loan exit fees, loan application fees, govt charges etc.

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    I don’t think there is any problem with one director – this is generally recommended as it limits the guarantees required by lenders. The trustee is just the ‘person’ that runs the trust.

    The ASIC could probably be paid by the trust, as the trustee exists to run the trust in this case and would have no income.

    Shareholders cannot be held responsible for the company – generally. If they are making decisions, then they could be liable as they may turn out to be defacto directors etc. If personal guarantees are given then they can be held liable for these of course – some banks want guarantees from shareholders too.

    I am not an accountant or lawyer, so seek proper advice please.

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    If you have to sell, then I agree that now is not a very good time due to the slump. What about just selling one if you really have to – this will ease the monthly repayments at least.

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    I believe ‘corpus’ relates to the capital or principal of the trust. So maybe corpus beneficiary is one who receives the capital of a trust when it is wound up? Just guessing here.

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    That sounds correct. The ATO will check what the funds are used for.

    You see, if you put money into a loan, you are paying it off. When you take the money out again you are actually reborrowing money – a new loan.

    If you had an interest only loan and placed all extra funds in a 100% offset account, then you would have saved the same interest, but would have had access of all the tax benefits which you are now going to miss out on.

    BTW, the ATO will only need to see statements if you are audited.

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    Depreciation is a cost of holding the asset. The asset is owned by the trust, so it would be the trust that claims any depreciation.

    The individual can only claim the interest – because they have purchased income producing units in the trust.

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    Do whatever you think will make you the most money. It’s good to get high rents, but I can see no point in buying in country areas myself because of the lack of capital gains. Depends on the areas I guess.

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    Hi Dutchie

    I agree discretionary trusts are great. But watch out if your properties are making a loss (ie negative geared) as the losses cannot be utilised until the trusts makes a profit. Maybe look into hybrid discretionary trusts if this is the case.

    Also trusts are not taxed the same as a business. Trusts no not normally pay tax at all. Trusts distribute all income to a wide variety of beneficiaries who then pay the tax based on their own tax rates. So with careful planning the trust can greatly reduce tax or maybe even eliminate it altogether.

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    It may also depend on how many of these you have done. If it is a regular occurrance done in a business like fashion, the ATO could still charge you CGT on your own home. Theoretically at least.

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    If your name was added to the loan, the rate would jump to around 10%, this would make a huge difference in repayments. If you want to argue that you are buying a house, your name generally has to appear on title unless you are using a trustee to buy it for you. In which case you will need legal advice.

    Maybe you could explain your dilemma to the landlord and ask they let you out of the lease.

    Long term, you may be better off with a trust, or your share held in trust – maybe in your daughter’s name. You can then transfer the share at a later date into your own name when the bankruptcy matter disappears = 7 years.

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    What state?

    I have discussions with a good solicitor in VIC about releasing deposits a few years ago and she declared it was impossible.

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