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    Yes, a discretionary trust is an excellent vehicle to own property. Most business people have one. Look at a few posts under the Legal & Accounting forums.

    One disadvantage is that trusts cannot distribute losses, a way around this is the HDT which Richard mentioned.

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    I would think he would be eligible as he has never owned property. Was he ever on title?

    The fact that a past spouse had owned property shouldn’t matter.

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    I believe their trust was being marketed on the benefits of reducing land tax. But a few years ago the land tax rules changed for trusts and this doesn’t seem to work anymore. I am not sure what the benefits of their trust would be now.

    For a good trust accountant in Sydney see http://www.guardianpartners.com.au

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    You possibly could, but you will end up having to pay CGT on 2/3 of the house. Maybe a better way is to move in, claim the grant, and then move out completely and rent it. Use the 6 yr rule for CGT exemption.

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    I’ve done it too in the past. Ended up with lots of problems chasing my money. Just be careful.

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    You might be able to just reassign your option to the end person, or do a simultaneous settlement.

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    You might be able to just reassign your option to the end person, or do a simultaneous settlement.

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    Be careful about making written offers, or you could be locked into a binding contract if they accept. you wouldn’t want 10 accepting at the same time or you’d be in trouble. Talk to a lawyer about condition clauses.

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    If you sell you will be hit with various costs such as CGT, legals, loan exit fees, and agents fees. Do some sums and work out what these will be. Then weight this up against not selling.

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    Hi baldy

    These are referring to two different types of trusts. Hybrid and discretionary. Hybrids are best used when the property is running at a loss, as the individual can offset the loss against their personal incomes.

    If you are going to be buying cashflow positive, then you will not usually have a lossso will not have to worry about this so much. But there are other advantages to having a hybrid trust. Also there are various expenses you can claim such as non cash expenses including borrowing costs, depreciation of building and fittings, and this may actually result in a cashflow +ve property with a tax loss. If you have a loss within the trust, then it cannot be offset against personal income. It can be rolled forward and offset against future income in the trust though.

    The number of lenders lending to individuals with the property owned by a company as in the case of a hybrid is restricted. So this will restrict overall borrowings too.

    So, in summary, who should borrow the money would depend on what sort of trust you have.

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    work out the return. If you get 2100 per month, that equals $25,200 per year. That is a return of 5.47%.

    Is this a good return? If you opened a ING savings account you would get more. But with the plates you may be able to borrow t o purchase, meaning less cash needed, making a higher yield, and there may also be capital gains too.

    So it may depend on your views of the taxi industry. Is the demand for plates going to stay high? What happens if the Govt issues more plates etc.

    Then compare this to property, where you might get a slightly lower rental yield, but property would possibly have a much brighter long term prospects.

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    I believe any sort of business requires an ABN, including trusts. With shares its similar to property, you just open an account in the name of the trustee and the trustee buys and sells shares.

    There are some extra tax rules with dividends and discretionary trusts. After a certain amount, the trust may need to make a family trust election. Once it has done this, the trust can only distribute to direct family members. Since this restricts things a fair bit, it might even be a wise move to start a different trust for your shares, depending on how many you intend to hold.

    Best to check this with your accountant as these rules are complex and have recently changed.

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    If you buy property for cash, it may lose some of its attractiveness as an investment. Property is usually considered a good investment because it can be geared. You might be better of just in shares.

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    I have no fixed loans myself. I like the flexibility of being able to change banks easily if need be without potentially high exit fees.

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    <edited>, 10 people will be hard to manage. And the profits will be so low, will it be worth the effort? If you do go ahead, probably best to look at a unit trust type structure where there are 100 units and each person owns 10 units. You will need a written agreement on how the expenses will be paid and the rent distributed. eg what if you are doing all the management side of things, do you get an extra bit of the income? And then what happens if one person wants out? Can they sell their share to anyone or should the members of the deal have the first option to buy. If they do, how will it be determined if 9 want to buy one share? Will it be even, or a ballot type arrangement. What happens if one of the unit holders goes bankrupt or gets a divorce? This could drag the others into a legal battle trying to defend themselves. And what about the equity, what if one or more want to access the equity, who will guarantee the loan etc

    Lots of things to think about. It may be a good idea if short term, but if long term there will be many potential problems.

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    You will need to set up a written loan agreement between the person lending the money and the trustees of the trust. Probably best to transfer it to the trust bank account first.
    Most trust deeds allow a company set up later to be a beneficiary, so you may be able to save some fees by waiting a bit to set it up until you need it.
    The company will have a profit which it then pays tax on and distributes the left over to the shareholders – who may then have to pay more tax.

    The company could also retain profits and these could be used for further investments by lending the money to the trust. But check everything with your accountant as there are strict rules in this area.

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    Your partner could get a No Doc or a Low Doc loan to 80% of the value of the property – subject to a few qualifications such as location, if has an ABN for 2+ yrs etc.

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    You can be qualified in as little as 8 days. eg see the courses at http://www.ps146.com.au/

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    1 day.

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    There are not many books out there on this stuff, but a few accountant websites have a list of the differences.

    Trusts are generally best for property investment due to the access to the 50% CGT discount which companies don’t get, and the tax advantages as well as the asset protection advantages.

    Companies are good for business as they limit liability. They are not good for owning appreciating assets such as property, usually, as companies are taxed at a flat 30%.

    A business name is nothing really. Just a name, not an entity.

    If you want to set up a trust or a company you had best speak to a good accountant – one that knows about property and structures. Not many do.

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