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    Many offer free redraws, so you can put your money in and take it out, just like a LOC, but without the cheque book.

    Or

    Many offer 100% offset accounts. So you could withdraw some funds and store them in the offset, get a cheque book attached, and use the funds from there. You would only pay interest on the loan less the money in the offset, so it should work out the same. it may even save you some $$ as many lenders charge more for the LOC.

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    Which two do you have unencumbered? Maybe you could take the residential properties out to different lenders and borrow up to 80% of the value using Low Docs. St George can do 4 on one title. Spread them around a bit. Each new property with a separate loan and use the LOC for costs and deposits.

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    I can think of a few disadvantages:
    – Companies do not get access to the 50% CGT discount
    – Asset protection (but shares could be held by a trust)

    Advantages
    – May be able to sell the shares of the company rather than the property with the purchaser avoiding stamp duty
    – Easy for several people to own one property by owning shares in the company
    – Limited liability if the company is sued (eg. injured tenant)
    – Keeps things clearly separate from personal

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    Hi Sue

    Has a breach even occurred?

    You say it is a 60 day contract and plenty of time left, which suggests they haven't gone over the 60 days.

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    Trakka

    I've given you my opinions. Now why don't you just ring up a few lenders and ask them over the phone. Also grab a few loan application forms and look at what they ask.

    Just looking at a St George application, they ask for assets and liabilities and ask "What you owe". I cannot see any specific question asking "have you guaranteed any loans". So it may come down to an interpretation of the word 'owe'. I would take it to mean liable for any debts. Guarantors are liable for the debts they guarantee – are they not? Maybe I should email them and ask the specific question?

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    You can generally borrow up to 95% of the value of the property. 95% x $450,000 = $427,500 which wouldn't be enough.
    There are some lenders that can lend to 97% and some can even lend 100%. Don't forget you will be up for LMI as well and this will be another 2-3% of the loan amount.

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    You shouldn't be trying to do this without the use of a solicitor. Who told you that subject to finance clauses are not possible? (probably the agent?). You should be able to make the agreement subject to whatever you like if the other party will accept the condition.

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    trakka wrote:
    Yossarian wrote:
    Trakka,


    Also, I'd argue that loans that you guarantee are not your liabilities. If your son or daughter buys a car and needs you to go guarantor to get them the loan, do you think that the parents, when applying for their own mortgage, should declare that car loan on their statement of assets and liabilities? In this case, the liability is being counted twice, as presumably the son/daughter would declare the same debt on their position statement if applying for their own mortgage? Why should liabilities that are backed by guarantees be counted twice?

    When you guarantee a loan you are giving a promise to pay the loan if the person taking out the loan cannot. Therefore lenders would want to know you could service this loan as well as all of your other loans – if you could not, then you guarantee is essentially worthless.

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    I have had a few of these and they got through ok.

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    That might work, but it would be hard to get a lender to allow a thrid party to guarantee the loan unless that person is a spouse or a defacto – and if that was the case she may not be able to qualify for the FHOG as you only get one FHOG per couple.

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    Excel is the only one for me!

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    Hi Michael

    You cannot generally borrow more than a property is worth, so it may depend on how much equity you have in your 'cashflow' properties.

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    If the lender doesn't ask about it, then I guess you are not doing anything wrong. But it is highly likely your lender will ask about these other loans as they will see them on your individual credit report.

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    Why not just borrow extra with a normal loan and use these funds to help make the repayments? Cheaper rate with the same result?

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    And here is the web site for the Trust Structure Guide. Have a look at the menus, including the flow chart:

    http://tsg.taxinstitute.com.au/

    BTw, it is only $250.00

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    What LVR do you need? If it is high, then you will not get finance on valuation.

    One way around this is to pay cash and then get finance. (use cash, LOC or family etc)

    Or just accept the lower loan and increase immediately after settlement. I had a client do this recently. He purchased for $395,000 and within one month had the place valued at $445,000 and increase his loan. 3 months later  it was revalued $475,000 and he increased the loan again.

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    Joseph1 wrote:
    Just reading the book 'How to Legally Reduce Your Tax' by Tony Melvin and Ed Chan and they advise in their book nobody owns a trust – it is controlled, not owned.

    Does this mean you can't own part of a trust ?

    Please advise ? Thank you.

    A trust is a relationship really. Discretionary trusts are set up with a trustee, who is the legal owner, owning property for the benefit of the beneficiaries, who are the beneficial owners.

    Just think of Dad starting a bank account for his little kid. The kid is too young to sign, so the dad has the account in his name. He is the trustee, but the kid is the beneficiary = the real owner.

    It is a bit different with a unit trust as the trust is made up of unit holders, like shareholders of a company – each owns a percentage of the trust.

    Discretionary trusts are different as the beneficiaries are a potentially very large group, none of whom are absolutely entitled to anything. They only receive income etc at the trustee's discretion (which can vary from year to year).

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    Joseph1 wrote:

    Please advise how you would go about borrowing money to buy unit trusts ?

    Is it just through a personal loan or if you get a loan secured against a property for say future investments.

    You just buy a house with the Trustee as legal owner of the property and the loan in the name of the unit holder. Eg. XYZ Pty Ltd as trustee for the Smtih Family Trust with John Smith owning all the units = XYZ Pty Ltd on title with the loan in the name of John Smith.
    (Not many banks will allow this as John Smith doesn't own the property).

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    Hi Chris

    Sounds like you have been misinformed a bit there.

    If you have held a property for 12months or more you should be entitled to the 50% reduction in the capital gain. This doesn't mean 50% CGT, but the amount is halved and this is added to your income – so the max you would pay is half of the top tax rate plus medicare = 46.5% X 1/2 = 23.25%. (This is for individuals, companies would pay 30%).

    Then, to get use of the 6 year rule to avoid CGT altogether, you have to live in a place before you can class it as your main residence. So any time prior to that where the property is rented out will attract CGT. Once you live in it, and then move out, you may be able to claim it as your main residence still, but you can only claim one main residence at a time – except for a 6month overlap period where you can claim 2.

    The law doesn't state how long you need to live in a property to class it as your main residence. The ATO has put out a ruling or a Interpretive Decision on what they look at to determine whether a place is actually someones main residence. They look at various factors including how long a person lives there, where their mail goes, address on licence, electoral roll etc.

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    Trusts cannot distribute losses, only profits.

    With unit trusts it is possible to borrow to buy the units. If these units are income producing, or likely to produce income, then it may be possible to borrow to buy these units and claim the interest on the loan.

    Discretionary trusts do not have any units, with the beneficiaries only receiving a distribution if the trustee decides to give them a distribution. Because there are no units or shares involved and no certainty of receiving an income the beneficiary cannot buy into or own part of the trust like they could with a unit trust or a company.

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