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Hi IP
I would say no, you cannot claim the interest as your bills have already been paid. It is a bit of a grey area though. Maybe you could get all your bills to you direct so that you could pay them yourself, except for the management fees – but maybe you could work something out with the agent about this too as it will help you to save interest on your home loan.
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Hi CJ
The problem when taking a redraw from a owner occupied loan is apportioning the interest. it won't matter so much if the whole loan is for investment as you will be claiming all the interest anyway so if you get the portions wrong you will still arrive at the same results.
I would calculate it as a percentage. eg. if the total loan is $60,000 and you use $6,000 for shares, then 10% of the interest would be attributed to the shares.
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Swany wrote:I think this may have been touched on before so apologies if I missed it. Can you property gurus help?Current residence worth $360 – $380K
Current Mortgage $200K P & I – no off set account
Redraw available up to $326K
Will rent for $300.00 PW
Lived here 3 yearsI am planning to reduce the mortgage to $20K, soon then in about 12 – 18 months redraw ( for personal needs) thus increasing the mortgage to about $80K. I will then rent the place out and throw extra cash toward the mortgage to pay it off in about 5 -7 years.
After reading a couple of posts i got the impression it is better to place the funds in an offset account rather than directly off the mortgage for tax reasons. I have spoken to my lender. They say for an offset account, I have to change the loan at a cost of $150.00 and they will revalue the place at thier cost.
If they do so I believe my redraw up to $326K will fall as the place has dropped in value.
Going foreward I plan to buy more IP's and think it would be good to have that redraw figure available.
So..
Would you go the offset account path or leave things as is? Once I rent the place out the redraw facility would only be used for rental property expences if at all.Sorry for the length but want ed to give you a full picture.
Cheers
Swany
Hi Swany
It will cost you more in tax if you pay anything off your loan. Ideally a IO loan with a 100% offset would be ideal as you can keep your loan balance high and save interest at the same time. This will save you tax when you start to rent it out.
If you were to pay down the loan to $20,000, then your annual deductions for interest will be around $1,600. If you then increase the loan you would not be able to claim any of the extra interest. Where as if you put the money in an offset account, your loan is not being reduced so when you take the money out the interest will go up on the loan and so will your tax deductions.
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Hi Hybrid
Yes, I would suggest you look at setting up a LOC on your home loan. Keep the existing portio separate and use the LOC solely for investment related purposes such as deposits and property costs.
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Many lenders will only lend to self employed, on low docs, and the best way to prove self employment is through an ABN. ABN's can be checked at http://www.abr.gov.au and this will show date of registration and date of GST registration (if any). There are some low doc lenders out there that do not require an ABN.
The ABN doesn't have to be for the entity purchasing, but could be any ABN for a related entity. eg. you may have a new company/trust buying which had just been set up, and prove your self employment by showing a business ABN from a few years ago.
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The land value of a unit is relatively small (because many units sharing the one block of land), so Peachy is probably under the threshold.
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TenorBb
I wouldn't recommend a LOC for your general loans either, but would recommend setting one up for any spare equity you have.Investment expenses and costs can then be borrowed from the LOC freeing up cash to place into your non-deductible home loan.
However, Your two properties value at $604,000. 80% LVR is $483,000, but you have current loans of $487,000 so you would not have much equity available, even if you went to 90%.
Hybrid
LOCs are not bad, but a lot of people have no knowledge of the tax laws and are creating potential problems for themselves mixing business and non-business. I had one person take a LOC on their investment property and then place all their wages into the account each month to save interest. This taxation suicide which could have been avoiding by using a IO loan with an offset account instead.
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Yes, that is right, you don't actually earn interest – or are not paid interest, you just save interest on the loan.
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McNorman wrote:does anyone know if u can you keep youre FHOG if you buy an IP through a trust in QLD?
I have a client who purcahsed an Investment through a hybrid trust in QLD, and he has just purchased another home to live in and he has applied and received the FHOG in QLD.
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Also look at this tax ruling:
TR 1999/D3
Income tax: deductibility of interest on moneys drawn down under line of credit facilities and redraw facilities
http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/print.htm?DocID=DTR%2FTR1999D3%2FNAT%2FATO%2F00001&PiT=99991231235958&Life=19990210000001-99991231235959Terryw | Structuring Lawyers Pty Ltd / Loan Structuring Pty Ltd
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Hi Mixedup
I clicked on the link in your post, but it brought me back to this post.
I agree with Richard again. Once you have paid into a loan, redrawing money is considered new borrowings and the interest on this new borrowings will only be deductible if the money redrawn is used for investment purposes.
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What is a SBA 504 loan?
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Hi
Which type of trust you should use will depend on your exact situation – maybe a unit trust (as 2 parties) or a discretionary or a combination (hybrid) or both Unit trust with units owned by your discretionary trusts (one each).
You should seek some professional advice from your accountant in conjunction with your mortgage broker when setting up a trust – who will be trustee and named beneficiaries will have far reaching consequences.
If you have equity you may want to lend this to the trust to get it started, but this will leave you exposed to creditors if you go down. If you gift money to the trust, then you may have tax problems as you may need to borrow to gift and then would not be able to claim the interest on this. Your trust may be able to take a mortgage over your property etc, to tie up the equity and make the property less attractive to creditors if you are sued.
Not sure what you mean by becoming a sole trader to boost serviceability though.
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Hi Mix
I don't think it is important to have the loans with different lenders – usually. Even if you keep them with separate lenders, both will be at risk if you default on either loan.
I also agree with Richard that it is not wise to redraw from a PPOR loan for investment purposes as it will be hard to separate the interest. But there is another reason too. If you were to make repayments to this loan, the ATO would want you to attribute the repayment to both the investment portion and the PPOR portion in accordance with the percentages of the loan.
eg. If you have a $100,000 loan for your home and them withdraw $50,000 for investment. 2/3 of the loan is for personal use and 1/3 for investment. If you had $100,000 in cash you wished to pay off the loan, you could not just pay out the PPOR portion first. You must use 1/3 of the $100,000 to pay down the investment portion too. The only way around this is to have separate accounts for each.
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You could possibly sell part of the property to your wife or trust over a few years to reduce the tax burden.eg a third each year for 3 years. It may also be possible to sell using an option. eg. if selling for $300,000 you could sell an option this year for $100,000 with an agreed price of $200,000 with settlement next year. This would split the gain over 2 years.
If you must sell this year, then you could also look at prepaying some interest, if you have any other properties. You need to bring as many expenses forward as possible.
Talk to a few creative accountants as there is a lot of money involved.
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I cannot see the point in using a LOC, other than to release equity which can then be used soley for investment.
It would be disasterous to use a LOC for personal expenses and to then use it for investment related payments as well as this will cause all sorts of tax problems.
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Is your new house going to be your main residence? If not, it would not be wise to pay the loans down. Selling maybe a good idea. But don't rush into it as you may be just selling one property to buy another and incurring costs unnecessarily.
Trusts are still the best structure for asset protection available. Your accountant may be referring to a recent case, Richstar v ASIC I think, in which ASIC sought to get access to the trust assets of a person who had the role of appointor. The case has been discussed by various legal firms (eg see the newsletters of http://www.lawcentral.com.au) and there seems to be ways in which the trusts can be worded so that make this less likely. eg the appointor automatically losing their role of appointorship if they become insolvent etc.
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mixedup wrote:Terryw wrote:I'd look at a IO loan with a 100% offset.Can I pay extra however on such a loan to reduce it quicker, and hence lower interest quicker?
You can pay extra without penalty at anytime, but I agree with Richard – put the extra in the offset and it will save the same interest.
Once you pay down a loan if you want to withdraw the money again, the ATO considers it new borrowings and the extra interest incurred will only be deductible if the use of the money was business/investment. So that is why it is best not to pay down any loan.
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Hi Mooki
There are a few ways to do it, but one of the best is to set up a LOC (Line of Credit) on your existing property and to use this as deposits and costs for the new one.
e.g say your house is worth $400,000
80% is $320,000
But you have a current loan of, say, $200,000
This would mean a LOC of $120,000 could be established (subject to serviceability etc).You then buy a $200,000 property.
20% deposit is $40,000 and 5% costs $10,000 = $50,000. This would come from the LOC.You would then go to a bank, maybe a different one to your current lender and borrow 80% of the purchase price, $160,000.
So for this new investment property you would have borrowed 105%, have 2 loans (both deductible) and would have both properties stand alone, not cross collateralised.
You would then have some spare equity in the LOC and will be able to borrow IP expenses from this account, saving your cash which can be used to pay down your home loan first, increasing your deductions. You will also have some left over for the next IP.
After a while you can increase your LOC, as values rise, and repeat the process. Furthermore, you may be able to set up LOCs on each investment property as they grow and buy even more properties even quicker.
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Hi Super
Whether to use the cash or pay down the loan would depend on your long term plans. either way will result in the same deductions now, but if you are intending to move back into the Stanmore place, then paying it down would be the go as this loan would be non-deductible when you would move in again.
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