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    Hi

    Are you saying you wish to borrow to pay IP expenses from your LOC? That is a good strategy, especially if you have non-deductible debt. I think most people would be fine with this.

    Are you also asking if it is OK to borrow to pay the interest of an IP loan? I think this is possible myself and have sought advice on it, but apparently not all accountants think this is ok because of their (mistaken?) take on the capitalising of interest legal case a few years ago. (forget the name of it now). But  you read that case, if you can find it, then you will see it said that if is ok for a business to borrow to pay for expenses, including interest.

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    Jacki wrote:

    I can't help with any of the preceeding questions as am new to the game myself. However I have a question regarding unit trusts and potential dangers when splitting units.

    I have just a read a book that recommends (when negative gearing) issuing income units to the main income earner to gain maximum tax benefits from the loss and the capital units to the non (or low)-income earner so if you sell, minimum CGT applies. If this is a husband and wife, in the event of divorce (hopefully never happens), would setting up a trust this way leave the person with the capital units with the ownership of the property – or would the property still get split equally?

    Thanks a lot for your help.
    Jacki

    Hi Jacki

    That book must be out of date now. It would not be possible for a set up like this to pass muster with the ATO as there would be no commercial reason for the unit hold to buy the units if they would not be entitled to the capital gain.
    see http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.ht…/NAT/ATO/00001

    If it was set up like this, then the family law court could still look at the set up and divide the asset in a manner they think fair. They have the power to look behind companys and trusts.

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    not_so_lucky wrote:
    Terryw wrote:
    To make it simple this is basically what you do.

    You add up all expenses related to the property.
    Then you add to this non-cash expenses (These are things you can claim without actually paying for them there and then – eg. travel, borrowing costs, depreciaton of fittings, deprecriation of building etc).

    This gives you your total expenses.

    Profit is income minus expenses. So your rental income – the above two lots of expenses.

    If the figure is negative you can minus this from your yearly income and you will get a tax refund at the end of the year, or weekly if you fill in the variation forms with the ATO.

    Sorry about going off topic but is it possible to fill in the variations form with the ATO by claiming the cost of other work related expenses?

    Hi

    I am not sure, but beleive you can. The variation form could probably be used by anyone who is paying more tax than they should be. It would be better to get the money in your account asap so you can earn interest on it.

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    Hi

    You can can negative gear your own home, but beware.

    You may be able to save a few hundred or even thousand in the early years, but this could expose your home to CGT which could cost you much more in the long run.

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    cchandra wrote:
    Hi Everyone,

    I have a couple of questions and hope someone can help clarify it.

    What is the difference between a unit trust and a company ? and
    Does a unit trust have the same obligations as a company ?

    I would like to eventually set up a company to sell brand new properties/apartments and was going to set up a company initially.

    Thank you
    Charlie

    Hi

    There are a lot of differences between a unit trust and a company. I think the main one is the limited liability of the company. A company is a separate legal entity so if sued it is treated like a 'person'. It is the company that is sued and if the company does not have enough assets to meet creditors it will go down, The directors and shareholders personal assets are not at risk. (director's assets can be at risk if they act illegally).

    With a trust, it is not a separate legal entitly (though is treated as one at tax time). When a trust is sued it is the trustee that is sued. The trustee is usually covered by the assets of the trust, but if these are not enough, then their personal assets can be at risk.

    So if trading a company is usually the preferred structure.

    Another aspect is the public reporting requirements of a company. The details of a shareholder, or director must be reported to ASIC and this information is publically searchable – including name, address, DOB, place of birth etc. With a unit trust the unit holders are generally not searchable as the deeds are not registered.

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    Hi Andrew

    You will need to check with your solicitor, but my understanding is that the trust will need to be established before you enter into any contracts. You may be able to sign "xxx and/or nominee" you may be able to nominate your trust prior to settlement. But you need to be careful as some states do not allow this – so you may be charged stamp duty twice (on initial purchase and on your sale/purchase to your trust).

    The main residence CGT exemption can only apply to one property at a time. I don't think there is any limit on the number of properties you can claim CGT exemption on, as long as no overlap, but if you do it in a business like manner, the ATO could deem it a business and still tax you.

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    You should get the depreciation booklet from the ATO – it should be available for download.

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    The agents usually get the tradesperson for you. But you need to be careful as if the agent is unscrupulous they will event things that need to be repaired and then possibly get their tradesman friends to repair the items at higher rates.

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    Sorry, a No Doc loan is a type of loan in which the lender does not ask about your income. They just ask if you are self employed, have good credit and have a deposit. Rates are slightly higher than normal loans though.

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    Where are you living now? It might be best to buy a place to live in so you get the CGT exemption and then borrow against this to buy a few more properties.

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    Michael Yardley's book is good as is Peter Spann's – forget the titles sorry, but the best resource would be reading as many posts on these forums as you can.

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    Hi Margaret

    If you have already signed and exchanged contracts, then it would probably be too late to change it to a trust or a company now without incurring stamp duty – but things vary from state to state so at least make some enquiries.Its true that children cannot earn much income from a trust without getting hit with very high taxes, but each child can earn arouind $1300 pa without paying tax. So if you have 2 children and you are on the top bracket having a trust could save you $1300 pa approx.

    But children are not the only beneficiaries.  There may be times when one of you is not working for a year and has no other income. The trust could then divert income to this person who will pay the least amount of tax. The next year things may change and so the income can go to the other person. DTs give this flexibility.

    Also your family will change over time. You may only have 2 children now, but could have neices and nephews, grand children, adopted children, your children could marry etc. This will make the number of potential beneficiaries huge giving wide scope to reduce taxes.

    And if you are on the top tax bracket, or if you are not on the top, but paying more than 30% in tax, then you will be able to set up a company and distribute to that capping the tax at 30%.

    But your situation is a bit complex so you will need to get some good advice and will need to consider land tax, any negative gearing losses and  loss of the main residence exemption if purchased in a trust.

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    The St.George Foreign Currency Home Loan offers customers who may be residing either within Australia or offshore the ability to borrow funds in a foreign currency, provided their main source of income is denominated in the same foreign currency, creating a natural hedge for loan repayments.

    Foreign currencies available are:

    • Hong Kong dollar (HKD)
    • United States dollar (USD)
    • Singapore dollar (SGD)
    • British Pound Sterling (GBP)
    • New Zealand dollar (NZD)
    • Euro (EUR)

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    You could get a managed fund set up. You would need to start off with at least $2500 and then need to add to it monthly. Some funds have returned 30%+ pa. But there is no guarantee you will get this. Or you could stick to putting your money into a high interest savings account such as ING.

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    I would never recomend paying any money into a LOC at all – except to pay the interest. All money including wages and rents should go into the offset account.

    But in your cash you have no personal debt so you could pay it into the LOC – but this will make you lose flexibility if you ever wanted to get the money out for personal reasons.

    I personally would get all income into the offset, maybe pay expenses with one visa card and then borrow to pay this. All other property expenses would be taken from the LOC. I wouldn't bother about multiple accounts myself. I would just pay the interest on the LOC.

    Once you get the offset account up to a certain level you could possibly look at paying down the LOC – but only if you are sure you will never need the money for personal stuff.

    You will also be paying a 0.1% extra on the LOC.

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    Hi Brendan

    Have you tried Bankwest?

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    To make it simple this is basically what you do.

    You add up all expenses related to the property.
    Then you add to this non-cash expenses (These are things you can claim without actually paying for them there and then – eg. travel, borrowing costs, depreciaton of fittings, deprecriation of building etc).

    This gives you your total expenses.

    Profit is income minus expenses. So your rental income – the above two lots of expenses.

    If the figure is negative you can minus this from your yearly income and you will get a tax refund at the end of the year, or weekly if you fill in the variation forms with the ATO.

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    Who is he and what is the focus of the seminar?

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    critter66 wrote:
    what do we do???? we own a house valued at $530K….we now have three kids and need to move closer to work , schools etc….we could get $440 rent per week but the houses in the areas we need to live in are about 700K…we are not savvy with investing, we had our heads down for years to pay the house off ,we have a joint income of $100k. could we get some advice please….

    You could rent in the area you wish to live in. You may be able to claim negative gearing on the old house, saving tax and structure it so that you can avoid CGT on this house even though you are renting. The rent on the new place should be much cheaper than what you would be paying on a loan for the same property.

    Or you could sell the old one and buy the new. There would be a lot of costs involved.

    Or you could keep the old one and buy the new one as well. The trouble with this is you would probably need to borrow 105% of the new place and pay lots of interest which would not be deductible

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