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If the valuation indicated there is structural damage, many lenders will not lend or may require a engineer's report on the stability of the building.
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At 21sqm it would be very hard to get finance for. This may not matter if you are paying cash from existing equity, but when you sell it will limit the number of potential buyers and hence the price!
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Depending on what sort of work the higher income earner is doing, he/she may be able to structure all or part of the work as a contractor and divert money into the trust that way. Careful planning is needed though as there are various rules to meet before this is allowed. Investment income is no problem but the shares/properties would need to be sold to the trust and there could be CGT and stamp duty implications. It may be a good time to sell shares as most have dropped considerably
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Sounds like your daughter may have a claim on the trustee for unpaid monies. Chase the trustee for it.
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You will need to have a good read of the contract the vendor has entered into with the broker and your contract with the broker. There is probably a clause in there which states that any person introduced by the broker, no matter when or how long ago, will mean commission is payable.
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Whether a HDT or a UT can allow the unit holder to claim interest or not will depend on the wording of the deed. it has to be worded in such a way that any income or capital gain must go to the unit holder. Who would borrow to buy units if there was no surety of getting an income someday. Not sure of the commercial benefit for someone to buy units that would only produce income in 12+ years if they had not hope of getting any capital gains.
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A trust is where someone holds something for someone else. The easiest way to understand the concept is to think of a parent opening a kids bank account. The parent is the legal owner, but the beneficial owner is the kid – the parent (the trustee) just operates the account for the real owner (the kid as beneficiary).
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Yes, if you are intending to rent them out you can claim the usual expenses such as rates, insurance, interest etc.
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There is a way to divert profits into a trust for existing properties and that is for the trust to rent them from you at a lower rent, in exchange for various commercial reasons, and then the trust can sublease the properties at a higher rate. You have to be careful to do everything at a commercially realistic rate though.
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I would make a complaint to the CBA complaints section. I;ve had many problems with them in the past, but when I pulled all of my loans out of there are few years ago it went smoothly!
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Hi Again MC
I think you can do what you describe, but are ok as long as everything is done at market rents. A trustee has a fiduciary duty to the other beneficiaries of the trust so you cannot rip them off by charging yourself a lower rent and the ATO would be concerned about this too. But if everything is above board at market rates it should be ok.
You can get the 6 year exemption from CGT, but am not so sure about the land tax as this comes under the Office of State Revenue who have different rules (Never though about this before).
Renting from the trust will run into problems if the trust has no other income as it will likely have a loss. The loss cannot be offset against your personal income.
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M.C.
It will be hard for you to borrow in your names if you don't own the property. Not many lenders are willing to do this. st George may be one that is ok with it.
I am not sure how this will help tax deductions though. Initially the trust will be running at a loss unless you find a healthy positive geared property. Even then the trust will have depreciation etc to offset the positive income.
So if you are charging your trust a higher interest it will be even more negatively geared. Trusts cannot distribute losses, so the loss will need to sit there to be offset against future trust income.
Meanwhile you will be making a profit on your lending – you will be borrowing at say 9% and then lending at 10%, so making 1% extra = $1000 for every $100,000. You will need to declare this as income and pay tax on it.
So I am not sure how this would benefit you – unless maybe if you were lending the money at a lower interest rate>?
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$300 per hour is pretty standard rates for an accounting firm, but usually they have a set price to set up a trust which includes some advice and the deed and the ABNs and TFNs. it could end up costing you are lot more paying by the hour.
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It would probably be best to set up a trust initially and see how it goes, then you may want to change things a bit – eg you may want one trust each so it will be easier to go your separate ways down the track, if need be. It may also assist in serviceability if you have one each, as you can keep the guarantee to one of you. Just do every second property in each trust. You should still be able to distribute to each other and your families.
It may also be wise to separate those properties you are going to keep from those being built for a quick sale as there are different tax treatments.
Once you get moving you could maybe have another company which could pay you a wage and have the trusts divert profits to this one.
Probably a discretionary is the way to go, but hybrids can still be good if used properly.
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you should definitely set up before signing contracts or stamp duty will apply when you change over.
It is very easy to set up a company and trust yourself, but maybe easy to stuff things up too so it may be wise to get some advice. e.g. putting a spouse as settlor of the trust would mean they could never be a beneficiary. One of my clients put his son as settlor, so even when the dad dies, the son cannot benefit from the trust!.
Companies can be set up for free by filling in the forms as ASIC and paying the fee – $400. If an accountant does it for you it will cost about $500 plus the ASIC fee.
Trusts can be purchased for as little as $178+ on the internet, but an accountant may charge you $1000. Stamp duty may be payable, but QLD is one state with no stamp duty so you are lucky there.
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StumpCam wrote:Hi Terry, I'm just going off what my accountant has told me:"I have tested the Tax Office on quite a few cases and they seem to be happy
with no need for having to move away etc to get the 6 year rule. With the
large property value increases in recent times I am always cautious as to
how they will try and attack CGT, but they seem to be fairly relaxed in the
6 year rule (at this stage….)."I'd like to know for sure though.
Hi Stumpcam
I am not sure your accountant is correct. If you look at the legislation, at s118-145 of the ITAA. http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/itaa1997240/s118.145.html
it says .."(1) If a * dwelling that was your main residence ceases to be your main residence, you may choose to continue to treat it as your main residence…."If you are not absent, then this section would not apply.
But, the ATO does not always apply the law properly.
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Hi
I am not exactly sure what you are saying, but basically you can borrow up to 80% of the value of the security without incurring LMI.
so if your property was valued at $600,000, then max loan without LMI would be $480,000.
Maybe the figures given by the bank are a bit out as they have calculated the 95% loan and then added the LMI on top of this figure.
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It is probably just a LOC anyway and these can be obtained at much lower rates – though I wouldn't suggest using one as an all in one account.
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You would just borrow the money from your LOC and lend to your company. You make an income from the interest, but the interest you are charged would offset this and the company is left with the deduction. You couldn't claim a deduction if you were gifting the money to the company nor if you were lending at a lower rate than you were being charged.
I agree with Richard that a company is not a good way to own property unless in its capacity as trustee.
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You would want to minimise the number of guarantees as much as possible. I think structuring it through a discretionary trust with a company as trustee may be a good idea. it is easy to add or remove directors without having to sell or transfer title and you can limit the number of guarantees by limiting the directors. One down side is possibly more land tax and losses cannot be offset against personal incomes.
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