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    I generally think it is a good idea to pay cash for a property with a LOC, reno and then mortgage it based on the new valuation. You should be able to get a higher loan amount relatively easy without the fees and hassles of increasing a loan.

    What you would be doing is borrowing the money from yourselves. This money is then lend to A or B or both. You can then claim the interest as the loan was used to purchase an investment. When you mortgage the loan you are repaying your LOC which is just like refinancing really. So you should not have any tax issues. The person borrowing the money, the title owner, should be the one claiiming the interest.

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    Not really able to acheive both.

    you could buy it via a trust structure, but to claim any gearing benefits in your personal name you would need to buy units (and borrow to buy them). The units are assets and would be up for grabs by creditors.

    Another option is to buy in a discretionary trust which is the best vehicle for asset protection and to just where the income losses and try to offset these by having other income diverted into the trust – eg business income.

    You really need good advice before you do all of this as if it is not set up properly you could still get caught if you were to go down. eg. deposit provided to the trust could be clawed back. Doing things to defeat creditors and hide money etc could also be illegal.

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    I think it may be money owed by the trustee for distributions which may not have actually been paid. eg. some people as trustees, just say they have distributed money to a child (to save tax) but retain the funds. Theoretically the money is still owed to the beneficiary, but another argument is that the money has been expended on the child in living expenses. I suppose it depends on how is it setup and who the beneficiary is.

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    Yes I agree. $2000 isn't too bad and there are many things to consider such as various roles and their role players.

    You can save some money by setting up the company yourself. Just walk into asic and fill in some forms. $400 I think is the fee. Or you could pay $99 on law central and get all the forms filled in and a constitution as well (these are no longer compulsory as there are rules in the corporations act which can be relied up for companies without constitutions). I would get 100 shares too rather than just 1 share as you may want to add shareholders later.

    1 director is good for asset protection reasons and borrowing reasons – lenders want guarantees from directors.

    Besides the legal and accounting issues there is also the borrowing issues to consider. eg. Some lenders will want guarantees from all adult named beneficiaries (which is ridiculous!). So if you name your girlfriend then she may need to give a guarantee, This can limit borrowing power dramatically. Also the new anit money laundering legislation requires indentifying all major beneficiaries.

    You may get things wrong if you go alone with the trust – eg if you put a relative as appointor you could get into trouble as the appointor can never benefit from the trust.

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    hi

    1. yes.
    2. 1 day

    but, there are various conditions such as you cannot claim 2 PPOR at the same time – except for a cross over period of 6 months. CGT will also apply to the period of the property before you lived in it as your PPOR.

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    This is very complex. You will be earning an income in Australia from the rent, although you may have deductions to offset this, so you will need to lodge a tax return. You will also need to declare you overeas income. Whether you are tax more will depend on if there is a double tax agreement with the country you are working in.

    Whether you are a on resident for tax purposes depends on a number of factors including where you permanent home is, how long you will be overseas etc etc. Non residents don't receive the tax free thresholds and pay 30% tax from $1 in income.

    And did you know that you can rent out your main residence for up to 6 years, claim all costs and still sell it CGT free – $25,000 pa x 6 is a big loss of potential income!

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    I have some wooden floors in a house in a cold area and it is freezing to walk on the floor in winter – you would need slippers!

    But it is good in summer and cleaner as the dust doesn't build up like it does in the carpet. But you need to clean more often because it is more visible.

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    Hi Juder

    I don't think you have much to worry about. It was only an investment for 2 months, so the CGT would only apply to the growth during this period – if any.

    you probably have a good case for moving in as soon as practical too.

    Best to check with your accountant.

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    Cambodian standards of law are not the same, or even close, to that it Australia. If you get into any sort of dispute, it is usually the most powerful, or the one with the most powerful connections that will win. Police and government officials are easliy bribed too. So be very careful.

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    Rudi

    If you are thinking of buying in Thailand, I beleive the Bangkok bank, Singapore branch used to lend to non-residents, but they have recently stopped doing so.

    Another option is to buy something with Vendor finance. This is where the owner will let you pay them off in installments. I have seen a few ads for these deals in Thailand.

    A LOC will only work on Australian property with equity available.

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    St George is one lender who charge a LEF (loan extension fee) instead of LMI on certain products. You can also borrow up to 100% without LMI/LEF (higher rates).

    I don't think Westpac have a policy of instructing valuers to under-value property either!

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    hi Neel

    I don't think having a corporate trustee will change anything. Trusts can't negative gear, so you will need to work around things a bit. You can still borrow to buy units and then do it this way, but the unit holders must get all the capital gains too. you can't do the old income units/capital growth units anymore or the ATO will disallow the deductions.

    you may also find it hard to find a lender willing to lend if you have a company as trustee is the loan needs to be in the unit holder's names. This is because the legal owner will be different to the borrowers.

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    I think that as long as you intend to build on the land and to rent, then you can claim interest and other costs from day 1, as per Steele's case.

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    or, in the unlikely event that you can get the owner of the land to agree to go on the loan……

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    One of my friends recently added a bedroom to his units. He actually added it on the balcony (which was bloddy huge, and still is) so things may be different. He needed both council approval and stata approval and had a hard time getting it too.

    But if it inside, then maybe nobody will know?

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    Hi Anthony

    You should seek legal advice because there are various laws relating to raising money from the public. ASIC are actively looking at this because of the number of failed developments recently.

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    what state?

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    The main thing is to never pay off an investment loan until you have your PPOR loan fully paid off – and even then it is probably still a good idea to pay IO.

    Once you pay money into a loan it is trapped. Say you paid the loan down to zero, then you wanted to buy a new PPOR – you would have to borrow the lot and the interest would not be deductible.

    Instead of paying the IP loan down why not pay the money in a 100% offset account, This will save you the same interest and make your money available without reducing loans. Will save you a heap of tax later.

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    I think that this company has been going for years – which is unusual in the property 'wealth' type business. The owner has written some books "seven steps to wealth" from memory – though I have never read it. They seem to promoted house and land packages in QLD and promote a buy and hold type strategy.

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    I agree.

    you can do that but the interest won't be deductible as the purpose of the loan was to acquire a personal asset.

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