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    Hi Harry

    I don't think that is correct. I

    n NSW:

    • All applicants and/or their spouse/de facto have not owned a residential property, jointly, separately or with some other person, in any State or Territory of Australia before 1 July 2000.

    • All applicants and/or their spouse/de facto have not owned on or after 1 July 2000 a residential property and occupied that property jointly, separately or with some other person in any State or Territory of Australia for a continuous period of at least six months

    http://www.osr.nsw.gov.au/benefits/first_home/general/eligibility/

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    shevang wrote:
    I have a property investor trust (PIT) and company trustee from Chan Naylor. I do not recommend them as we are having all sorts of problems with obtaining more finance. Banks do not like hybrid trusts – let me tell you!!! Banks were picky with hybrid trusts before the credit crunch now even pickier.  Ended up getting finance for the 1st invt property using the PIT etc but were limited to 2 lenders at the time, maxof 80% LVR and a higher penlty interest rate/ exit fees etc

    We spent over $3000 to get the PIT and company name and will not be using them going forward, going bank to individual names only for everything for now.  regards, Angela

    Hi Angela.

    The problem is that the property is owned by the company and the loan needs to be in the name of an individual to get the tax deductions. This makes it a third party loan which most lenders don't like these days. St George was one that did allow it.

    You could probably still use your trust as a standard discretionary trust by buying in the company name with the loan in the company name too. You just couldn't offset any losses against personal income.

    Have you encountered any problems with the claiming of interest on the loan used to buy the units of the trust?

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    albatross wrote:
    Hi TerryW and BlueHeeler
    Can you please tell me if the Taxation Alert at http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?docid=TPA/TA20011/NAT/ATO/00001 deflates the possible benefits you have written about?
    Thank you for your informed input.

    Hi B

    That alert is specifically about unit trusts, and it doesn't look like the ATO favours them!

    There are other alerts, IDs and tax rulings and private rulings on various hybrid trusts on the ATO site. They don't like them if the trustee has discretion on who to give income to. e.g. you can't just get the spouse with the highest income to claim the loss for buying the units if they are not guaranteed all or most of the income from the trust.

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    If i had a home loan I would put the $150,000 in that, and then reborrow it. Reduce non-deductible debt first. Then borrow it to invest into something else – using 20% deposits from this money, then borrow to buy some property and maybe put some into the share market when it bottoms – with a margin loan (with a conservative LVR).

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    Hi C2

    What makes you think negative gearing is evil? I had a negative geared property increase in value by $600,000 in just a few years. Doesn't sound evil to me!

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    If you were absent from the house less than 6 years and you had no other house that you counted as your main residence during this time, then you may not have to pay any CGT at all. Check with your accountant.

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    try this too
    http://www.bmtqs.com.au/construction_cost_calculator.htm

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    I think it may depend on the wording of your deed. If their is no appointor, is the trustee validly appointed as trustee? maybe not.

    You are playing it dangerous by not getting it fixed properly – what happens if you find out it is not set up properly after you have the property for a year or so? It could cost a lot more than $900 to fix – especially if there is a resettlement.

    At the very least I would ring the lawyers for the trustdeed website and ask them – even if they charge you it should be worth it.

    Or, maybe just set up a new deed and play it safe. that would be cheaper than the $900 lawyer fee.

    Keep the old one for future – you may be able to use it down the track after you have had time to research.

    There is also a possibility the lender may not accept the deed.

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    M,

    Has your trust any assets yet? Maybe you can just add the appointor. If a resettlement occurs, it won't matter too much as there are no assets. But you maybe up for the initial stamp duty again. If it is unstamped, you could probably just add it in before taking it for stamping.

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    Tell your friend to go to one of those free legal advice centres.

    If the loan is owner occupied it will fall under the Uniform Consumer Credit Code and he/she will have more protection. Maybe look that up on the web (UCCC).

    Refinancing is very difficult at the moment if you are in arrears.

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    Yes, there would be a problem as who would appoint the trustee. I haven't heard of a discretionary trust without one and I don't know if it would be possible unless maybe the trustee was fixed at settlement.

    Points
    – Different trusts sometimes use different terminology, maybe the appointor is called something else.
    – Unit trusts don't have an appointor, are you sure it is discretionary
    – If there is no appointor, what happens if you want to change trustee?
    – What happens if the trustee dies?

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    I don't know, but think….

    The vendor is the legal owner until settlement. The new purchaser has an equitable interest after exchanging contracts. Both of you have an interest and therefore should be able to be covered by insurance separately. If damage is done to the property prior to settlement then the vendor will be liable as they have contracted to provide you with a property in a certain condition.

    So I would think that the vendor's insurance should take care of any damage prior to settlement. If they can't or won't then you may be able to make a claim under your policy.

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    It is unusual to own a property in a company alone, unless it is acting as trustee. Johann – is the company a trustee?

    If so, the tax treatment will be totally different, the gain will be distributed to the beneficiaries and they may be entitled to the 50% discount if they are individuals – so you should pay a max of 24% tax and probably a lot less.

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    There is a yearly levy for carpark spaces in the CBD and some surrounding areas in SYdney. I recall hearing in the recent mini-budget that these levys had just been increased from about $800 pa to $1200 pa

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    You can chose which property to count as your main residence with the CGT exemption – if you have lived in both.

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    Very good Ajax.

    thanks

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    The second mortgage is similar to the first (the one by the bank), it is just that the first takes priority.

    You will need to get your solicitor to draw up the mortgage document and the loan agreement for your dad – or actually his solicitor should.

    The first mortgagee, the bank, will need to give permission to allow the second mortgage, and they will need to factor in your repayments to your dad when they work out serviceability.

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    Yes, there are problems and it is getting harder to refinance from a Low Doc to another Low Doc. If you are going to full doc, there should be little problem assuming your income is ok.

    St George have advised, as of today, they are still happy to refinance low docs from other lenders into their low docs, as long as ABN and other requirements are met. St George have their own LMI which helps.

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    If they are going bankrupt, then be careful. Under the claw back provisions of the Bankruptcy act they can claim back the sale or maybe chase you for a shortfall if you buy a property under market value.

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    Wouldn't it be more beneficial to get as much income into the trust as possible – then you can distribute this to the lowest tax payer beneficiaries. You could just distribute to yourself anyway.

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