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Pete
They would accept it for a trust deal, but wouldn't for a straight purchase as the person buying is deemed to be less attached to the house – since they haven't risked any of their own cash.
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I would plunk all money into the offset account and then off the home loan before reborrowing for further investments.
All investment loans should be IO until you have paid off the home loan.
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Easier with an eg.
say you had 2 properties purchased for $200,000 each and a 90% loan. Total security is $400,000, total loan is $360,000.
Now say the market has dropped 10% and you need to sell one property quickly because of financial trouble. You can only get $180,000 less costs maybe $174,000 in your hand.
You apply to the bank for a release of security and they say they will need to value the remaining security.
The value comes in at $180,000 so you must reduce the remaining loan to 90% of this figure = $162,000.So from the original loan of $360,000 you minus the sale proceeds = $186,000. This is what you are left with when you pay all the money into the original loan. But the max loan size is $162,000 so you will need to come up with another $24,000 before the bank would release the security.
You were be hurting even more if this happened.
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Hi Pete
If you were selling to your own trust it should be ok.
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Depends on the state you are buying in. In Victoria, in the past, you needed written authorisation from the nominee before you entered into the contract. If you were going to nominate a trust or company, these needed to be set up prior to the signing of the contracts too. But things may have changed.
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Bank A would not have a mortgage over property with bank B so they would have to go to court and then get a judgment against you, then take further steps by getting a court order to sell property. If they have a mortgage it is a much simpler and much quicker process.
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http://www.sro.vic.gov.au/sro/SROWebsite.nsf/rebates_fhog.htm#3
3. Are you eligible to receive the grant?
To be eligible to receive the grant, the following criteria must be satisfied:
- You and your spouse/partner must not have received a grant in any State or Territory of Australia.
- You and your spouse/partner must not have owned residential property, either jointly, separately or with some other person prior to 1 July 2000, in any State or Territory of Australia
- You and your spouse/partner must not have occupied for a continuous period of at least 6 months, a residential property in which either of you acquired a relevant interest on or after 1 July 2000 in any State or Territory of Australia.
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Who is the trustee?
It is usually the trustee and/or the trust that borrows the money. If the trustee is a company then the directors will need to give guarantees. With a unit trust all of the unit holders may need to give a guarantee.
Trusts cannot negative gear. But if you borrow to buy units in a trust, the unit holder may be able to claim the interest, but this will depend how the trust is set up. Be careful.
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http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/tas/consol_act/da200193/s55.html
DUTIES ACT 2001 – SECT 55
55. Exemptions transfers to partners in a marriage or relationship
(1) No duty is chargeable under this Chapter on a transfer, or an agreement for the sale or transfer, of dutiable property if it is proved to the satisfaction of the Commissioner that –
(a) as a result of the transfer or agreement, the whole of the property is or will be held by the parties to a marriage or significant relationship, or by caring partners, as joint tenants or as tenants in common in equal shares; and
(b) the dutiable property –
(i) is land that has erected on it a private dwelling house and was solely or principally used, as at the date of transfer, as the principal place of residence of the parties to the marriage or significant relationship, or of the caring partners; or
(ii) is vacant land and the parties to the marriage or significant relationship, or the caring partners, intend to use it as the site of a private dwelling house to be solely or principally used as their principal place of residence; or
(iii) is shares that confer an entitlement to exclusive possession of a company title dwelling that was solely or principally used, as at the date of transfer, as the principal place of residence of the parties to the marriage or significant relationship, or of the caring partners; and
(c) both the transferor and the transferee are the parties to the marriage or significant relationship, or are the caring partners, or one of them and no other person is a party to the transfer.
(2) In this section –
"private dwelling house" includes a lot, within the meaning of the Strata Titles Act 1998, used as a place of residence.
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The only valid point she makes is the second one. If many properties are increasing just a little, it can be hard extracting equity.
What about the downsides:
– you reach serviceability with the lender, but have equity = you are stuck
– 1 of your properties has dropped in value, and you want to sell the 2nd one = you cannot unless you pay down the loan on the remaining.
– you default = the bank could take any security and sell that. (if you had property with other banks you would still have to pay back some money, but you could chose how to do it).
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These days lenders won't approve these sorts of deals if they know you are borrowing from the vendor. Maybe some of the smaller private type lenders would with a higher deposit, but none of the majors would.
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I believe the FHOG is only available once per couple, including defactos.
If you qualify still, then the requirements for the grant are only concerned with the names on title, the names on the loan don't matter. But a bank will usually only allow a name on the loan that is not on title if it is a spouse/defacto.
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leoau wrote:keiko wrote:I don't see why you can't up the loan take some equity out and pay the other person. but prob run it past your accountantI've got just a few thousand left on this mortgage. I claim this interest as a loss. I will need to redraw 200K against this property to pay the other person up.
So, if I do, tomorrow I will have to claim interest on 200K+ which will makes the property negativly geared. In this case, ATO will ask me questions and possibly audit.ATO will want to know what the$200,000 borrowed was used for. If not for investment/business then you can't legally claim it. But whether you will be audited or not is a different matter. They may pick up the sudden increase in your deductions compared to last year and start asking questions.
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Why would you want to use a company to own appreciating assets? You will end up paying more tax.
Better do some more research. Look at trusts.Also, these days I wouldn't buy a shelf company. Just start a new one from scratch. You can do it for around $90 on the net or just go into ASIC and fill in some forms and do it there with only the ASIC fee, no set up fee. I think the ASIC fee is $400 for a new company set up.
Loans are the same as going on your on. The loan will be in the company name, but the lender looks for a guarantee from all directors, so it is their incomes which are important.
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The company that contacted me is named on that website. When I pointed this out to them, they claimed the website is being run by a competitor who is trying to ruin them and they are taking legal action against that person.
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I believe they are going to keep the 2 separate for now – that means even if there are branches next to each other, they will still operate both.
They are still separate companies, so I am not sure if they could consolidate loans etc. But your relationship with the bank is a contractual one. The contract you signed probably gives them the right to amend the terms at their discretion and they could probably do that.
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Thanks Bootlace. Just what I thought – scammers just after your initial payment before they disappear.
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crashy wrote:well you are exposed to any capital growth during this period, you can sell during this period (called a flip) for a profit without paying stamp duty, longer to get finance or sell another property, longer to get building approval….maybe moreHey, Crashy, what do you mean no stamp duty?
If you have exchanged on a property you will be required to pay stamp duty if you onsell before you settle. I think every state in Australia you would be liable.Terryw | Structuring Lawyers Pty Ltd / Loan Structuring Pty Ltd
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Hi Harry
I don't think that is correct. I
n NSW:
All applicants and/or their spouse/de facto have not owned a residential property, jointly, separately or with some other person, in any State or Territory of Australia before 1 July 2000.
All applicants and/or their spouse/de facto have not owned on or after 1 July 2000 a residential property and occupied that property jointly, separately or with some other person in any State or Territory of Australia for a continuous period of at least six months
http://www.osr.nsw.gov.au/benefits/first_home/general/eligibility/
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shevang wrote:I have a property investor trust (PIT) and company trustee from Chan Naylor. I do not recommend them as we are having all sorts of problems with obtaining more finance. Banks do not like hybrid trusts – let me tell you!!! Banks were picky with hybrid trusts before the credit crunch now even pickier. Ended up getting finance for the 1st invt property using the PIT etc but were limited to 2 lenders at the time, maxof 80% LVR and a higher penlty interest rate/ exit fees etcWe spent over $3000 to get the PIT and company name and will not be using them going forward, going bank to individual names only for everything for now. regards, Angela
Hi Angela.
The problem is that the property is owned by the company and the loan needs to be in the name of an individual to get the tax deductions. This makes it a third party loan which most lenders don't like these days. St George was one that did allow it.
You could probably still use your trust as a standard discretionary trust by buying in the company name with the loan in the company name too. You just couldn't offset any losses against personal income.
Have you encountered any problems with the claiming of interest on the loan used to buy the units of the trust?
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