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    Hi Carlin

    I don't know anything about super. I know there are concessions, but to sell the IP you would have to pay CGT (which I think can be offset by making a deductible contribution into super), but then you say you have to pay 15% tax when you put the money into super.

    If you had a trust you could distribute to yourself and still do all the above. But if your situation  was such that your brother had a capital loss for a business which he had been carrying forward for 10 years without any hope of using it, then you may be able to distribute all the CG to him and pay absolutely no CGT. Then you can decide if you want to put the money into super (where it will be locked away) or do something else.

    Trusts give flexibility.

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    Your friend can lodge a caveat now, or as soon as you settle. And you should certainly do a will too. And maybe have some sort of written agreement drawn up by a lawyer too which will specify how much she should get if you break up and how this can be calculated.

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    If your loan is fully approved and you have signed all documents and sent them back, then your bank should be ready to settle within a few days – although they usually want to allow around 10 days.

    If your solicitor is back, then there should be no problem as long as the other party agrees.

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    gmh454 wrote:

    The elephant in the room on this is the unfunded Cap gain tax liability.

    Eg: Investor bought prop for 250K five years ago. Now worth 500k. Has drawn down additional debt to cover shortfall, and living expenses up to 400K.

    At this point the Cap gain liab yet to be paid is up to $ 62,5000 depending on marginal tax rates.

    Have seen a real life case of this where I think the individual has no equity left but is living off unpaid unrealised CGT.

    GMH

    If you structure it right, you will leave that problem to your estate – which may be bankrupt

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    There can be delays over Christmas, but pushing things out to Feb is a bit much. Maybe it is your solicitor that is going on holidays until this period? I would just instruct the solicitor (your their boss!) to ask the other party to settle when you want. Ask them to do it in writing. The vendor's bank should be able to settle in a few days of being notified – unless the other party has the property cross collateralised and they need further valuations etc.

    It shouldn't have any effect on your broker, and your solicitor should have the same amount of work either way, so I am not sure why they can't settle – but you have agreed to 8 weeks, so it is up to the other party.

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    If she has contributed to the ownership of the property then she has an equitable interest and can lodge a caveat. This notifies anyone dealing with the property her interest and it can't be sold or mortgages with the caveat in place.

    If she is just lending you money, then she can't legally put a caveat – (unless maybe she can lodge for family law reasons), but she can take a 2nd mortgage or at the very least you should have a written loan agreement drawn up. Also leave a clear trail of the money going from her account to your account – ie no cash deposits.

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    Jason

    ask your accountant. You have to be careful if you live with your wife!

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    Hi

    You can't rent your own property, but you could rent one owned by a company or a trust that you control or a husband could rent off the wife and vice versa – or another relative. Many many things to consider though.

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    never

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    It depends.

    If you have non-deductible debt, then I would concentrate on paying that off first before paying down an investment loan – otherwise you will be kissing money goodbye (ie paying more tax).

    If you have no non-deductible debt, it may still be wise to get IO as you can then afford more investments. You can still use a 100% offset account to save interest with any spare cash while waiting for the next investment to occur.

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    daniellee wrote:
    Hi

    I was actually looking for a topic like this. I read Michael Yardney's book about living off the equity. Was wondering:

    1 – Are you about to use the equity for both invesment and private use, and still be able to differentiate the purpose of the loan for tax deduction purpose?
    2 – What do you offer as security? PPOR or IP? Would that not affect how the LOC can be used?

    I am trying to work my head about this. It seems to me that if you use a LOC on your PPOR, that because the purpose of the non-investment nature of the PPOR, any usage of the LOC will not be tax-deductible.

    So, how does the LOC really work for tax deduction purpose? I have read about how investors use the LOC as a desposit for that IPs.

    Regards
    Daniel

    Hi Daniel

    The deductibility of interest depends on what the funds borrowed are used for. So if you take out a LOC and use part of it as deposit on an IP, the interest on this portion would be claimable. But if you then took some money for a holiday, then the interest on this wouldn't be claimable. If you have one LOC and mix it like this it would be very messy at tax time and you would be hurting yourself financially if you paid off part of the principle as this would need to go towards both portions of the loan in proportion. ie, you cannot chose to pay off the loan for the holiday first.

    A way around this is to have 2 LOCs, one for personal expenses and one for investments.

    It doesn't matter what the loan is secured by. Whatever property has equity will do – this doesn't affect deductibility at all.

    Living off equity means you can borrow money to live off tax free – but the downside is you will have interest accumulating which you cannot claim. A partial way around this is to live on your rents and other money and to borrow for all investment expenses where possible. This may make at least part of the drawdown deductible.

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    Yes, you can rent out your home and claim the deductions as you can on a normal investment property and, under s145-118 of the ITAA, still claim a CGT exemption for that house.

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    It depends on how much tax you can save.

    If you add up all the interest and depreciation etc and then work out what the loss will be, you then can work out how much tax you would be saving. These days with low interest rates it will be a lot less viable, but if your loan is still high then you may have a large loss and large tax savings.

    You then need to work out if all the hassle of moving and then having someone else live in your 'home' is worth this saving.

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    WJ

    But as the investment LOC goes up, the home loan will be going down at the same or faster rate. You are just structuring it to reduce non-deductible debt faster – of course not for tax purposes, but for cashflow reasons.

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    alani wrote:
    I set up a HDT a while back and be holding of buying anything under it. I was wondering though if I could change the name of the company that controls/owns the trust?? Also, should I bother buying anything at all with it? Previous posts suggest not, Yes Im confused as my accountant also suggests not to bother with them….

    Yes you can change the name of the company pretty easily by filling in the ASIC forms from http://www.asic.gov.au. If your trust already owns property, then it may be a bit complex as you will have title deeds issued in the current name.

    Before you buy you should seek good tax advice. Your trust should still be able to function as a discretionary trust or you could still issue units, but it would depend on the wording of the deed. If it allows the trustee to give the income to someone other than the unit holder, it may not be a commercially viable transaction and the ATO may disallow the interest claim.

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    ibis69 wrote:
    I meant that,,I move out of our PPR ,,rent that out for say$300 a week rent another premises within our margin of $ 300-$350,,claim back interest,,I have only one home loan  and in effect can I also claim depreciation on the building up to 40 years and on the single items,,,,plant etc,,,,,,,,say my depreciation is $7000 because it is a new home,,,can I claim teh full amoutn or is it my taxable amount of 30% of that $7000??????

    Cheers
    Damian

    If you are renting a property out you can claim all expenses associated with that property. Including depreciation on building and fittings and loan costs and maybe even travel costs. You can still class it as your main residence for up to six years (and still claim everything).

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    Hi Linar

    I think that living off equity was only a minor component of those 2 companies with the major aim being to buy as many properties as quick as possible and then to wait for the growth to kick in.

    There was another financial planner, Steve Navra, who was a big fan of LOE and he used to say you should only access up to 80% of the growth after it happens – so in times like now where there is no or little growth, there should be no draw down for living expenses.

    Things should get easier with finance once this financial crisis is over. Might be a while though.

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    thats a good idea Holdandrefinance. Julia's website is http://www.bantacs.com.au and there are a lot of free articles on there with many concerning capitalising interest.

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    carlin wrote:

    In answer to Terry – we would sell some properties to pay off the others so that we had unencumbered properties delivering rental income in our retirement. Once retired we won't be able to afford all the mortgages.

    We already have a super fund to put that money into, so why bother setting up a trust?

    Yes, the rules to super could change again, however a reversal of the current favourable aspects of super (eg: 15% tax if you withdraw income after turning 60) would be as electorally unpopular as past attempts to end negative gearing have been.

    Re-asset protection – neither of us are in "at-risk of being sued" professions and we have solid insurance cover over all our places. Anyway, I've heard of people who sue getting to money held in trusts.

    Would love to have a SMSF for investing, but can't see us getting sufficient funds for one anytime soon with three young kids to raise.

    Plan is for 10 properties by 60, and to pay off about 5. Income from those + our defined benefits scheme should be enough to keep us going once we stop work.

    Carlin

    Hi Carlin

    Some good points, but for me I would only ever buy in a trust.

    Re low risk of being sued – you can get into trouble easily. eg. one of my clients has recently gotten into trouble because of credit cards. she is now bankrupt. This is because of stupidity, but it was unplanned (naturally) and is unable to be planned for.

    If you wish to sell properties in the future, you may save a lot of CGT by using a trust. Along the way you may also save income tax.

    When you die you can also pass the control of the trust to your children without any stamp duty or CGT payable. This can even be done before you die if you want to bring your kids into  your investments.

    Another advantage is if  your get into some credit problems and can no longer get finance – you can just change the director of your trustee company to your brother (eg) who can then go on to get finance – and possibly access equity.

    So why not use a trust if all you are up for is a bit of accounting fees and some more land tax?

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    Ben Ellingsen wrote:
    give90 wrote:
    ben;
    why do you establish a new disc trust for each property?

    Reason 1 – asset protection – if one trust is sued all assets owned by the trust are "up for grabs"
    Reason 2 – when applying for finance, you don't have to include details of all your other properties which makes things a whole heap easier – this is a trick I learnt from a mortgage broker from Hervey Bay in QLD and another experienced property investor. It worked as recently as the week before Christmas when we purchased another investment property

    Ben,
    You would still be required to notify the new lender of any loans guaranteed for the other trusts too. There would likely be records of these loan applications on your credit file.

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