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    M3 wrote:

    I've spoken to Westpac, they need to know the purpose of the loan…
    I am affraid to state that the loan is for a business as I will then need to apply for a business type loan, which I assume is harder to obtain because the business I am buying is "trading at a loss".

    I orginally wanted $250k but would be happy with $100k..

    Is there any other options?

    Who is getting the loan? If it is your partner's parents, then they may be borrowing for investment purposes – they are lending the money to you, not buying a business.

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    hi Darren

     

    Firstly on trusts

    Will being a beneficiary under a trust prevent you from getting the grant later on? I don't think so because:

     

    – Without knowing it you are probably already the beneficiary of hundreds of discretionary trusts set up by your distant relatives.

     

    But that is no help, so look at the legislation. In QLD you will need to look at the FIRST HOME OWNER GRANT ACT 2000

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/fhoga2000250/

     

    section 14 "Applicant or applicant's spouse must not have had relevant interest in residential property".

     

    You then look up the definition of 'relevant interest' which has a long list with s8(2)(a) covering trusts:

    "(2)(b) an interest is not a relevant interest in the hands of a person who holds it subject to a trust."

    Therefore holding under a trust should not prevent you from getting the grant in the future.

     

    Buying in under the trust.

    If you purchased the original house under a trust, the trust would be required to pay stamp duty on the purchase and possibly CGT on the sale too if the value has increased – which it may if you sub-divide it.

    There would also probably be GST too as the land would be new. If you built the house first and then sold it, there would be GST on the house too.

    But if you are all first home owners you should be able to get the grant to buy the house and land after it is sub-divided.

     

    If you buy jointly

     You should be able to get the grant – just once between you all. When the sub-division is complete you can transfer titles into individual names. I think there is concessional stamp duty to sub-divide into the same names, but if you were to sub-divide into different names then full stamp duty may be payable (not sure on this).

     

    A possible way around this is setting up a deed of partition from the beginning and you each owning an exact portion of the block. Eg. if 1000sqm and A’s block will be 320sqm when finished, then A should own 32% of the land and so on. Partitioning will mean each owner will solely own their own portion even though all names will be on title. If this is done then you may not have to pay stamp duty (or just a nominal sum) when it is divided.

     

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    Off the top of my head I think the St G fixed rates have been higher on the 100% loans than the normal loans.

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    What about getting IO and using a 100% offset account to keep all your cash. That way you will save the same amount of interest (or more) and can transfer the money into the home loan if you want to.

    The advantage is if you move out you will have a high loan with the cash available without tax implications

    The disadvantage is that you may be tempted to spend all that cash 'sitting' there.

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    Can be added to the loan if your circumstances allow – LVR and maybe income checks.

    $19k sounds a lot and is, but one of my friends had a $90,000 exit fee on a fixed loan!

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    Yossarian wrote:
    Cattleya wrote:
    ew….

    Hi Tim,

    Thanx for calling me crap. I know I was 'creative' but I challenge your claim that it was illegal. There is no law saying that you have to disclose everything to the bank. There is only a statement in mortgage application form saying you have disclosed everything. And because you sign this, it becomes legally binding.

    Now, before you jump on me… this application forms are drafted by the banks. THEY established all the rules and we are forced to abide by it. Anyway… good citizenship says you should play by the rules. But I'm not willing to give up $23000 for nothing… and for the greedy banks too.

    I can understand why it is in your best interest to scare the public into succumbing to the Bank's rules because that's how you earn your living.

     
    Allow me to make this simple for you:

    You lied on an application for credit
    As a result, you have (a) "obtained a financial advantage by deception" thereby committing an offence and (b) breached your loan contract , providing your lender the right to call in your loan without notice.

    Your lack of integrity should not lead others into taking an approach that is both dumb and dishonest.

    Oh, and your confidence is matched only by your ignorance.

      

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/ca190082/s178ba.html

    Up to 5 years in the slammer (Interest only!!)

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    I would try to set up an offset account and just have the rental income paid into that. Ideally this should be on your home loan (yourPPOR) if you have one. Then just get your interest payments taken from that account. You could still have other named loan accounts coming from the one account.

    The problem with getting your rent paid directly into the loan is that one month they may not pay and you will miss the repayment.

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    exit fees?

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    I would move into the property asap. This is because once you live in it you can class it as your main residence and it will be CGT exempt. You can then move out and rent it for up to 6 years and still maintain the CGT exemption.

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    Yes, you can reborrow the $10k. The interest would be attributed to the new property. If you are using a trust, then you would lend the trust the money and charge it the same interest as your loan and the trust gets to claim the interest in its tax return.

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    Whether you could afford would depend on your income. Whether it is a good time to buy depends on your thoughts on the market. Do you think it will drop more in that area?

    To try to stretch your money further, i would try to get all your loans interest only, and get depreciation schedules done and make sure you are claiming all that you can – most people miss things and end up paying more tax.

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    Cattleya

    In that case, Why not just have IO and pay the loan down as a PI and then you could use the redraw (or even better, just use a offset account) for the deposit on the next property – will save you borrowing as a personal loan (and deceiving the bank by not telling them), it will save you interest and fees and be more tax effective.

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    Maybe this
    http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?DocID=RMP%2FRP0095

    ATO Receivables Policy

    PART G. Penalties and Interest Relating to Receivables Activities

    Chapter 95 VARIATION AND UNDERESTIMATION PENALTIES

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    Strata is when you 'sub-divide' the block into individual strata titles ie individual parts of one building can have separate titles.. Each block could be sold separately. Each part would be a 'lot' of the strata plan.

    But with land if you were to sub-divide it, each piece would have its own title. totally separate.

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    Kenton

    Have you done a search on google for the book?

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    With a 95% loan you won't have any equity you can pull out to invest in managed funds. You will need to wait for capital growth and/or paying down the loan.

    Since you may rent it, I would suggest an IO loan with a 100% offset account.

    But, you will also be contributing money to invest into managed funds. I guess this is going to be frequent small amounts. It would be good if you could save up the money into the offset account, and then pay it off the loan and reborrow it to invest into managed funds. So you would need a loan with free redraw and an offset account.

    Ideally, you would probably want to split your loan into a few different splits. Many lenders allow this at now cost. Depending on how much you want to invest each month, I would suggest one split of around $10k. Maybe another few splits around this amount too. This way you can pay into one of these small loans before reborrowing and keep the majority of your home loan separate. This will result in a better outcome at tax time – especially if you decide to keep the house.

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    http://www.trustmagic.com.au/

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    crashy wrote:
    "Don't you have to declare all foreign-earned income in your Australian tax return?"

    no, because as I already said, if income has already been taxed by another country, then it is tax exempt in Australia.

    It is not that simple.

    Australia has double tax agreements with many countries, but not all. So you could be taxed twice, depending on the country.

    Australia does have a DT agreement with NZ. However, even if there is a DTA you may still have to pay tax on part of your income. You still have to pay Australian tax on the income, you just can a credit for the foreign tax paid.

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    Hi James

    You can move out and rent the place and claim all expenses associated with it. But if it is positive geared you will probably have to pay tax on the income – but you can also claim on-cash deductions such as depreciation of building and fittings, and borrowing costs. This may make the taxable income from the property negative.

    For the new one you can use the equity in the first one. But I would suggest you set up another loan against the first one and use that money for deposit and costs on the second.

    eg. IP 1. Val $400,000
    Loan $100,000
    Get a second loan to 80% of the value. $400,000 x 80% = $320,000. Less $100,000 current loan = $220,000

    This $220,000 should be used to pay the 20% deposit and stamp duty and all associated costs with the second.

    This will keep the 2 properties separate and not cross collateralised. You can even use different banks.

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    Best to talk with your parents solicitor. It is a bit rude being told you have to wait an extra 3 weeks to move in – that is not what was agreed to. What would have happened if they had already given notice? You parents could have been with nowhere to go for 3 weeks!!

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