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Even if you are living in the places as your main residences the ATO can say you are carrying on a business and still hit you with tax on the profit. Depends on if they were to know about it somehow. So maybe do one in your name and then one in your spouses name and keep swapping – it may delay detection. And just factor this tax in just in case.
If you are going to have to pay tax, then probably best to look at using a discretionary trust to own the properties.
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Thats a good summary i think!
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Hi Bootlace.
Thanks for the follow up, I checked the link to the QLD police – I have never heard of any of the companies listed there before.
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You will need to check out the tax issues such as:
– are you a resident for tax purposes
– implications of a non resident trustee of a trust.The ATO site has some basic info,
I don't think there are any other specific things relating to you being overseas.
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i personally wouldn't even consider them. Low capital growth, hard to sell and hard to finance.
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Setting up a company costs about $400 to $500 these days and the yearly fees are the ASIC fee of $250 (approx) and tax return. But the tax return will be nil as the trustee company wont be trading. So your accountant won't charge too much extra for this.
Also, companies add advantages from a boorrowing point of view. Say you own a property and have heaps of equity, but have a default to the ATO for $2000 for a bill you missed. You won't be able to get decent finance. But say you had a trust with company as trustee. You could resign as director and put in a relative or spouse as director and then get the loan – a decent loan at a good rate.
I have had clients sell properties to family members and pay stamp duty to try to get around this problem.But there are also disadvantages in that some loans are not available to companies.eg many low docs.
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Discretionary trusts are excellent for owning appreciating assets such as property. Draw backs are that any losses in the trust cannot be used to offset your own personal income. This is less of a problem these days with low rates. Another problem is you may end up paying more land tax. But the good points outway the bad, and these include:
– Asset protection
– Tax minimisation
– estate planningThe best way to get a quick understanding is to read the book 'trust magic' by Dale Gatherum-Goss
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I am seeing a few clients having problems selling properties which are cross securitised. Actually they can sell them, but the bank cannot or won't release the titles as the remaining security has dropped in value and in some cases the remaining loan is more than the value of the remaining property.
If only they hadn't crossed securities.
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I agree, they are getting scarcer and scarcer, but are still around.
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carlin wrote:Still not clear Terry. The property is held in the wife's name. Does that mean that (for tax purposes) it's owned fully by her and therefore CGT (if it's sold) is based on her tax rate?Sorry, I read "married couple owns a property". I agree with Dan. owner = title holder gets the gain.
Carlin. maybe you were reading something about the salary sacrifice arrangements – which are no longer available.
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Your fin planner probably will advise against property.
These days rents are high and interest low so even a property in a good area is close to cashflow positive or neutral.
I am not keen on buying cheaper property in outer areas just cause the rent is high. You don't get rich on the rents, but on the capital growth.
I would look at somewhere in a major city, like some areas in Sydney offering 7% returns and potential capital growth when the next boom comes and more rent rises.
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Whatever you do, don't pay off that loan. you will end up paying more tax on the rental income and will have a higher loan on your new property which will mean more interest which you cannot deduct.
I would change the loan to interest only asap.
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CG is calculated and then divided up based on ownership, 50/50 or whatever. You pay your share and the wife pays her share. Tax may be different depending on your individual incomes.
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Getting into joint loans with family members, or anyone else, may seem to be a good idea at the time, but often a few years later you realise you are trapped, unable to borrow anymore as lenders consider you responsible for the while debts, not just your share. worse, they will only take into account your share of the rent.
So in addition to all the other problems with cross sec it can hurt your serviceability alot – I did it myself many years ago.
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For starters ditch the conveyancers. You have a legal problem and they can only work on the transfer of land. You would be able to back out if there is a sunset clause in the original contract – which there probably is. Is there anything in the original contract about the rental income? Were you paying rent? and did the licence agreement allow you to sub-let the premises?
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complex. you would need to see a specialist tax advisor.
So you are not a resident for tax purposes?
I would think you would just have to pay tax on any profit at the rate applicable to non-residents – starting at 30%. You can do anything you like with the income, eg put it in your wife's account. Why not buy in her name? You could guarantee the loan if she has no income. It would probably cost you a fortune in accounting fees it you did it in your name as teh average accountant wouldn't know where to start.
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I am in Thailand atm and don't have my law books with me, but from memory…
its a painful process to change the trustee.
Firstly, you will need to change the name on the title deeds,
Then you will have to redo the whole loan again as the borrower will change, though the guarantors may be the same.lots of running around.
Stamp duty should only be nominal but you will have to prove to the OSR that the trust hasn't been resettled. Resettlement shouldn't occur unless you change the end date of the trust or add or remove beneficiaries or change it in other ways.
I think the ATO has been looking at resettlements lately, you should check http://www.taxlawyers.com.au and look for 'resettlement'. They didn't like people cloning trusts (which involved setting up a new trust exactly the same and moving some trust assets to the new one – and later changing trustees so separate people ended up controling what was once one trust.).
So you will probably need legal advice too.
ideally it would be best to have a trustee as a company in case the trustee is sued, but having yourselfs as trustee is still much better than owning just in your own names.
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Complicated I am afraid. It may depend on which country you are from as there are double tax agreements between Australia and various countries so you may pay not tax here, but overseas instead.
If you were treated so that your overseas income is disregarded then, possibly it would be calculated like this.
– if held more than 12 months, you can divide the profit by half = $21,500
(I am assuming you have taken the profit as selling cost – purchase price – buying and selling costs such as stamp duty, agents fees etc).
– This figure is then added to your other income if any.
– If no other income you would have a taxable income of $21,500 and would pay tax on this at the applicable rate.
– If you are a non-resident for tax purposes (which is different than for immigration purposes) then you will pay tax at the rate of 30% at least.
– so roughly $7000 in tax.Terryw | Structuring Lawyers Pty Ltd / Loan Structuring Pty Ltd
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I think Seaford is a great place to buy with potential for future growth. Still cheap and close to the beach and not so far from Melbourne. There has been a bit of a drop in prices lately, but long term it should be a good area – i think.
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You will find all applications for finance, whether approved or not, stay on your credit file for 5 years.
Some banks do worry when you start having too many hits on your file. usually it is just the last 12 months that they are concerned about and often more than 6 enquiries is when they start to worry.Terryw | Structuring Lawyers Pty Ltd / Loan Structuring Pty Ltd
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