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Make sure you ask if they charge before the first meeting. One of my friends went out and 'interviewed' a few accountants and received a few bills in the mail from it
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eddiec wrote:Terryw wrote:If may be difficult to borrow the money in your own name unless you use your own property as security. It is difficult to borrow in your name if the company is the owner as this will be 3rd party lending.But, assuming you can, and you charge your trust more than you are paying, then you will be making a profit and diverting money out of the trust into your personal income. So you pay more tax
If you charge your trust less, then you probably cannot justify the claiming of interest as it is not commercial – you are making a loss. And if your trust is a discretionary trust there is no guarantee you will get any return from the trust in the form of a distribution so you probably could not claim the interest at all. This is the problem with claiming interest under hybrid trusts.
Agreed with most of this, Terry. However, my view is that you can on-lend money to a discretionary trust and get a tax-deduction for the interest on the loan you drew down from the bank in the first instance, provided that the trust pays you interest on the on-lent funds. The nexus that gives rise to the deduction in your hands, in this circumstance, is the derivation of interest income by you on-lending the funds you obtained from the bank to the trust. This is in contrast to the situation where you borrow to buy units (fixed entitlement) in a unit trust, which is one of the issues with certain hybrid trusts.
I do agree that third party borrowing is harder these days. Having said that, my bank did that for me recently without too much hassles. If the issue is the corporate trustee, perhaps use an individual trustee who is also the borrower.
Also agree with you that there is no point charging more interest to the trust because the amount by which the interest paid by the trust to you exceeds the interest payable by you to the bank will only give rise to tax in your hands.
Incidentally, there is no point negative gearing in a trust unless the trust derives other income. Otherwise, the net loss is trapped within the trust until the trust derives income in future, if any, to recoup the carried forward tax losses.
Hi Eddie
Thanks for that. I agree, but ….
If the trust borrows money from an individual the trust would pay interest and the individual will need to declare this as income. So the net result for the individual is + – = 0 and it is the trust that gets the deductions of interest. This is assuming the interest rate is the same for the person borrowing from the bank and the amount charged to the trust.
If the individual was to borrow at, say, 5% and lend to the trust at 2% the individual will make a 3% loss and this could enable the individual to lose income and reduce tax. But to be able to claim a loss there must be a commercial prospect of obtaining a profit. With a discretionary trust there is no guarantee any one beneficiary would get a distribution (because it is at the trustee's discretion) so the situation is not commercial and the ATO wouldn't allow the deductions.
What do you think?
Thanks
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xya wrote:I'm about to call some valuers, but I'm just confused whether valuers also provide depreciation schedule? I was told that I would need to get a quantity surveyor to do that. Is that right?In that case, does the valuer only provide a valuation for the property, e.g. $400k for the unit and nothing else?
Nope, valuers don't provide depreciation schedules. You will need a licenced quantity surveyor for that. The valuer may give a few figures – rent, land value, building value etc, but you couldn't use this value for the building for claiming depreciation on your tax.
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Every withdrawal from a loan is considered new borrowings – so the deductibility of the interest will depend on what the funds borrowed are used for. If you borrow to fund your new property which you will live in, then the interest will not be deductible.
You need to think outside the square. What can you borrow money for that will be deductible? eg rates for the investment property, strata, insurance etc. This will gradually free up money to be used for reducing the PPOR loan – actually you should never, or rarely, reduce a loan. All loans should be IO with the owner occupied loan having a 100% offset attached. Never need to use a redraw.
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also try www,bantacs.com.au
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1. Probably a discretionary trust for investments due to the tax benefits and asset protection. But, there are lots of tax consequences if you are a non resident for tax purposes – so get some advice.
2. Yes. Losses cannot be used to offset non trust income.
3. Not sure, you maybe able to get 80% depending on your situation.
4. You will need to do research and then maybe order your own valuation or rely on the lender's valuation
5. If you invest in a trust, or even in your own name and later become a resident I think you should qualify for the FHOG – if it still exists
6. Yes. You could set up a trust with others and invest that way.
7. Vesting means the trust must end. All trust assets will need to be distributed to beneficiaries – there is a law against perpetuities.
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Unless you used the for hatred and loathing clause (divorce) I think you are up for CGT – but talk to your accountant.
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Yes, please look at a SMSF – you could end up in a much better situation – nil tax for starters plus better asset protection.
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hi
Do you mean the IO / PI debate???
I would never recommend a PI loan – except in one situation and this is if you are a spender and will blow money easily. Otherwise the IO + offset is the way to go for tax reasons mainly. You can always pay extra into the loan if you wanted to too.
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A contract for the sale of land is not enforceable unless it is exchanged. ie you must have a contract with their signature on it. But I am not sure if you can enforce it using a faxed copy.
Best to ask your solicitor.
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I agree.
You can take money out of a loan at any time – if the product allows it – but whether you can deduct the interest on this portion will depend on what it is used for. I would suggest you not pay extra off the loan but keep the money in the offset as it will save the same interest but with less tax hassles.
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disregarding the personal loan for a moment, these days you will need at least 3 to 5% deposit as genuine savings in addition to the FHOG. Some lenders also know back people whose net asset position is negative. So, i don't like your chances I am afraid.
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It depends.
If you cannot pay the mortgage the lender will reposses the property and sell it. If there is a short fall they will then come after you. If you cannot or will not pay they can seek a court order to take your property and sell it – including real property.
So eventually they could get at your other property if there is a short fall.
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Depends on the bank.
Most banks just have the offset applied to the interest, so the balance stays the same and the interest varies with the amount in the offset each month.
Other banks, notably St George, do things differently and take any saving off the principle.
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The trust may end up making a profit and, hence, tax would be payable. There may also be land tax and CGT later on if sold.
If they bought in their own name then they would have the land tax and CGT exemption.
On the other hand if they are paying rent they may be able to get rental assistance if on the pension. You would also need to be careful about the set up of the trust as centrelink can deem the trust property as their own if they control it.
Depends on the long term goals i think.
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If may be difficult to borrow the money in your own name unless you use your own property as security. It is difficult to borrow in your name if the company is the owner as this will be 3rd party lending.
But, assuming you can, and you charge your trust more than you are paying, then you will be making a profit and diverting money out of the trust into your personal income. So you pay more tax
If you charge your trust less, then you probably cannot justify the claiming of interest as it is not commercial – you are making a loss. And if your trust is a discretionary trust there is no guarantee you will get any return from the trust in the form of a distribution so you probably could not claim the interest at all. This is the problem with claiming interest under hybrid trusts.
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You can probably get one from lawcentral.com.au
If not, i may be able to provide you a sample agreement.
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Even if there is a guarantee it would be virtually worthless. If you have to sue and the company has no assets………….
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I don't think so.
Furniture items would usually be depreciated and claimed against income. But i am not an accountant, so please check
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To be a contract for land it has to have a few details such as price, indentity of the land (like address or maybe name and your name.
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