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    I don't really see what the problem is. You probably won't have to pay much tax anyway, and even if you do just think most businesses pay a lot more.

    You can only have one main residence – which is free from CGT. So if sell the first one tax free the second one will become tax free from when you move in. It will only be the period in which you had 2 that the 2nd will be taxed on. Long term this shouldn't be that much.

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    zimby wrote:
    Could some-one please clear up some stuff on Interest only loans.

    From my understanding with IO loans you only pay the interest on the loan for a period of time, thus payments are lower and the principal loan is still the full amount to gain maximum tax benefits.
    When the IO period ends you're left with the full loan ammount and less years to pay thus driving up repayments.
    Also the total payments seem to be more.

    Do the pros really outwiegh the cons, how would this be beneficial with multiple properties in a portfolio.
    If I have multiple properties and they all start becoming principle only after the IO period is finished then this will surely force them to be negitivly geared as the repayments increase.

    Thanks for the help :)

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    Firstly, you need to understand some simple tax concepts to really understand IO loans. It is simple, but often overlooked.
    Your own home loan is not deductible, while a investment loan is deductible. There are benefits to be gains by paying the home loan down asap – you save interest which you cannot claim a deduction on. So there is not point in paying down a loan on an investment while you still have a home loan – you will be losing money.

    The main reason in using an IO loan is to pay off non-deductible debt first.

    Assuming you have paid off your home loan already, the payments on an IO loan are lower. This gives you a few benefits. Less cash out of your pocket means you can afford more investments. eg you may put the extra into shares, or buy another property. Properties are often negative cashflow in the begining but this will change as rents increase so after 5 years your loan may change to PI resulting in higher repayments but the extra rent may cover this.

    There is also an additional tax reason to keep all loans IO and that is once you pay down a loan the money is gone -it is a repayment. If you suddenly need some cash and redraw the extra repayments, the extra interest incurred will only be deductible if it is used for investment purposes. So you may start off with a $500,000 loan, and pay this down to $1 over 10 years, then decide you want to buy a Ferrari and withdraw the money – the interest claimable will only be on $1, despite you having a loan of $500,000. If you had an IO loan, and used a 100% offset account for the extra deposits all the interest would be deductible.
    Same effect as paying down the loan, but more tax effective.

    There is no real reason to pay down a loan ever, if you qualify you can keep extending the IO period when it expires.

    Imagine if you purchased a house in sydney for $16,000 in 1960 with an IO loan and kept it IO all the way. Your annual rent would be more than the origina loan now.

    Sorry for rambling on!!!!

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    Sounds similar to the LOC, but one difference is you will need to fix rates for the full year to pay interest in advance.

    What is a DHOAS?

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    Did you notify the other party you were withdrawing and was this notification in writing and given before the cooling off period expired? If you signed a contract you are bound by it, but may pull out within the cooling off period.

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    Glennsa wrote:

    Some may say instead of slaughtering our own mortgage with that kind of extra money we could afford another four or five IPs now.  Sure, that is an option, but this is our first forray into IPs so we want to ease ourselves in, so to speak, and also with the window of paying out our own mortgage so very very close it would be nice to be "bad debt" free from that perspective.
     

    It is always best to pay down non-deductible debt and then borrow the money again converting it to deductible debt. So you can do both – pay down the home loan and get the additional investments – if you wanted to.

    Also it must be a good feeling to know your home loan will be paid off within a year. Imagine the psychological boost you will get, which will propel you into further investing.

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    Look at using the trust – assuming it is not involved with the business.

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    I think a land surveyor measures land. A quantity surveyor measures fixtures on land.

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    I am not a tax advisor, but know that redrawing from a loan means 'borrowing'. So this can creat big problems later on if the interest on the loan is ever claimed.

    Using an IO loan with a 100% offset is a way to avoid this.

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    I would suggest you do a search here for some recent threads on capitalising interest. You could set up a LOC and then use that for all IP expenses and keep your cash for your home loan – you would save heaps of tax along with paying your home loan off sooner.

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    Yes, it is common for IPs to cost money initially. But the idea is that they will be growing in value more than they will cost you. (not always the case though).

    Have you conisdered setting up your loans so you could borrow this shortfall so that it is not taking money away from paying off your PPOR?

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    The Bantacs mob charge about $350 for the private ruling which is very cheap i think.

    But, one of my friends who is ex-ATO said that applying for a private ruling is like waving a red flag at a bull. I think he meant that if you don't get the ruling they may be looking hard at you to see how you claim things.

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    It is pretty hard to get a personal loan too. Much easier to get the much larger home loan.

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    The unwritten rule in business is never buy a property – or other assets – in a trading company.

    What would happen if your company would go bankrupt? your property would go with it.

    A far better way would be to set up a discretionary trust. This is much safer than using your own name. You should also talk to an accountant about setting it up cause there are various rules to meet to get the small business CGT discounts etc.

    ANother option is to use a SMSF to own the property.

    3. yep. banks will lend to a 1 day old company or trust, taking into account your other income.

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    With sole traders, income and expenses are just added to other income. same with property. All income is added up and all expenses deducted. But the ATO is wary of business that run at a loss.

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    what about the tax consequences?

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    probably capital works. You should get a depreciation scedule done as it sounds like you don't have one. you could be missinh out on thousands in other deductions.

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    No, they are different rates. but you should get a discount on the professional package.
    And remember, you may not even need the LOC, but a straight forward loan may do too.

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    It is called the equity access loan
    http://westpac.com.au/internet/publish.nsf/Content/PBHLRF+Home+Loans+Fees+and+Charges

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    A will a only for gifting after you die.

    Transfering property while alive means paying stamp duty at market value – no matter if you give it or sell it for even $1.

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    You will need to convey the title into the new owners name. So you will need a coneyancer or solicitor to do this.

    You may also want to consider the tax consequences, if any -maybe also pension consequences.

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