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Why look at creating a trust?
Why pay PI on an investment property?I think you should do some more reading.
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One of my clients has purchased 2 psotive cashflow properties in innner Sydney. One doubled in value within a few years and was cashflow positive from day 1.
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This is legal advice so best to speak to a lawyer as it relates to state taxes.
See s 12 Land Tax Act
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/sa/consol_act/lta193690/s12.html12—Tax in cases where there are two or more owners
(1) Subject to subsection (2)
, where two or more persons are the owners of land, the same amount of land tax is payable in respect of that land as if only one person were the owner.
(2) Subsection (1)
does not affect the operation of any provisions of this Act under which the value of land is aggregated, for the purpose of the assessment of tax, with the value of other land.
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You would generally want to pay off non deductible debt and reborrow to invest. This way you are increasing tax deductions.
But if you intend to move out of the current main residence you may not want to do this.
One strategy, of many, is to buy the future main residence now using a 105% loan, rent it out gain some tax advantages and then after a few years move in. In the meant time you would store your cash in offsets on the current main residence loan. You ideally don’t want to use any of your cash to invest as that you cost you in the future when you do move into the new main residence. It seems you may have excess funds more than the outstanding loan atm so this will be tricky.
It might be better to upgrade the main residence now.
Speak to a lawyer and tax planner before doing anything as there are heaps of strategies – another is a post death testamentary trust.
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Hi Tony
I don’t take inflation into account because working in todays dollars should be enough as long as the property and rent growth is the same or more than the inflation the passive income goal should match todays dollars – or be better.
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Why not just get a second valuation, and a 3rd perhaps. You could agree that the price paid to the other party is the average of the 3.
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Work it out like this
1 estimate the yield of the types of property you are after
2. reduce this by about 1% for costs
3. Divide the desired income by the figure in 2In this case assuming you get a 5% yield, take this as 4% after costs
$250,000 divided by 4% =$6,250,000So you will need $6,250,000 worth of unencumbered property to get an income of $250,000 per year (before tax).
Now work out the average value of the property you are looking to get. lets say $500,000 properties
$6,250,000 divided by 500,000 = 12.5So you will need around 13 properties valued at $500,000 (in todays dollars) all fully paid off to retire.
Of this may be 26 properties with 50% LVR loans perhaps.
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I guess it gives you more flexibility to move lenders. But other than that not really.
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Uncrossing is good, but it won’t help you pay off a loan any earlier.
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Why not approach the same developers that have done projects in the same street?
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Benny trusts cannot distribute losses but what you may be thinking of is some borrowing to subscribe to units of a fixed unit trust and the trustee using that cash to pay for the property. Those borrowing to buy income oroducing units could claim the interest against their own income. If they are individuals and the interest is less than the trust income recieved there would be a loss and this loss can reduce other income. Ie negative gearing in personal name with property owned by the trustee.
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Yes it is worthwhile considering it for a variety of reasons.
Costs
– conveyancing
– stamp duty (possibly depending on state)
– CGT
– GST
– mortgage discharge fees
– new loansTerryw | Structuring Lawyers Pty Ltd / Loan Structuring Pty Ltd
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I think increasing the loan shouldn’t produce any tax issues if the loan itself relates to only the units. Once complete the loans can be split and the property strata titled At that point the security for each of the 3 splits can be secured by the unit it relates to.
Get tax advice.
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NSW property?
STRATA SCHEMES MANAGEMENT ACT 1996 – SECT 109
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Yes it is possible to structure a company or a trust so that only one of you will need to give a guarantee.
Although transferring to another entity will result in stamp duty and trigger CGT it can be beneficial – especially if there is a bit of equity that has build up.
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Where did you ‘pull the equity’ to?
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Companies get a separate land tax threshold in most states and they can retain earnings too so they can be a great way to own property – tax can potentially be less than that in your own name.
Your step dad’s company can lend your company money and can secure this by taking a second mortgage, either registered or unregistered. This should help the company secure its debt. There should be a written loan agreement between the two companies and each party should seek separate legal advice.
You should also seek legal advice before you set up the company on how it should be structured – probably one director and the sharehold being the trustee of a discretionary trust would be worth considering.
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You should get some legal advice as there are many ways to structure this both inside super and outside. It might be advantageous to set up a second SMSF for example.
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I believe it is just a marketing term – the name doesn’t really matter. If you want asset protection on bankruptcy you should really get legal advice (from a lawyer) because the trust deed is only one part of it. The important part is how the transactions are structured.
For example if you make a ‘gift’ without anything changing hands the gift will fail at law.
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One additional thing – what will be the consideration fro the sister becoming legal owner. Will it be a gift or will she be paying market rate for the property, or even undermarket rate. This has far reaching tax and asset protection and estate planning issues.
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