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    Living off equity is a great strategy. Borrowing for living expenses is not deductible, but things can be structured so that you are borrowing to pay loans and then living on rents, so it can be deductible. The trouble is not bank will likely lend to you these days unless you have a good reason for needing the money. Borrowing to pay interest or for living expenses are no longer good reasons.

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    Yes death too needs to bne considered.. Depending on how the purchase is set up one person may leave their share to someone you don't like (tenants in common). What happens then!

    If you have the ownership as joint tenants then the property doesn't form part of the person's will at all, so if one person dies their share goes to the remaining 3. That will mean 1 couple will have 2 thrids ownership and more power maybe.

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    Hi Luke

    Why not apply for the FHOG? For tax purposes you can't claim a place as your main residence until after you live in it. If you lived in it for 6 months you could rent it out and retain it as your main residence and it will be CGT exempt for up to 6 years. You can also get the stamp duty concessions and FHOG.

    If may be a bit disruptive to your family life, though, as you will be moving 2x in 6 months – in and then out.

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    here
    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forums/property-investing/help-needed/4329871?#comment-198359

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    Yes the best way is to set up a separate loan on the PPOR and then use this as deposit for the new one. No use in using savings if you had it as you should be paying your PPOR loan down first. The separate loan doesn't have to be a LOC (usually a higher interest rate), it can be a straight IO loan with redraw. Most banks offer these.

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    Depends if you mean you are relying on an increase in value or if you borrowed a low amount and wish to access equity based on purchase price. For the first one it is usually 3 months if LMI are involved unless you can justify why the place has increased in value (eg you may have renovated). If not LMI then usually anytime. , for the second one it is usually anytime.

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    You should seek legal advise asap. Usually finance clauses have an expiry date well before settlement. If you haven't notified them that finance was not approved then you may be locked in to the purchase. Depending on which state you are in you may have just 14 days to settle if they issue a notice to complete. If you don't settle in the time they can keep the 10% deposit (or sue you for it) and try to resell and sue you for any short fall if they sell it lower. So quickly see your lawyer (not conveyancer) and take some advice.

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    You can have one big loan or 4 little ones – It doesn't really matter to the bank. Just be aware that if the other 3 people don't pay the 4th one must. each is liable for the whole debt – which is risky legally. It will also affect future borrowings as when going for a new loan the bank will asses each person as owing the full debt.

    Also consider or try to anticipate things that can arise in the future. Like 1 couple wants to sell, but the other doesn't. The remaining couple may not have the ability to buy out the others, so what do you do. Or if your property doubles in value and all that equity is sitting there – do you agree to access the equity, let the other couple take out a LOC, or use the property as security for a new property in their names only etc. What is one of them goes bankrupt, or they divorce etc. Planning what you can do now can save arguments later.

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    anie wrote:
    LT Act mentions 6 y exemption if: owner lives elsewhere and does not own other property, and does not rent out more than 6 months a year for reasonable rent. The property is of the nature to interest families and no good tenant wants to rent for only 6 months in a year, nor I could afford to have it vacant other 6 months. Other 6 months, the rent should cover only owner's costs as mentioned. If I charge only to cover them, I will have nothing to cover part of the loan. I tried to make a deal with the tenant to pay more the first 6 months and less other 6 months, what led to blackmails from tenant as they wanted to get into issues for their benefit. LTO also looks why the rent is distributed per months and if it is genuine. Do you think that lease agreement 6 by 6 months has any weight? Tax return still shows whole year rental. I do need to ask expert LT advise. Any suggest re: potential CGT if I exceed 6 years of renting out? I have no object to pay taxes when I am due and can afford, but in this case, CGT could be higher than any rental benefit.

    Might still be a good idea to try a land tax specialist lawyer as you never know you may find a way out of it. It sounds strange to me that you are not exempt – but I don't don't much about land tax.
    (One of my clients tried to argue he was running a business of bee keeping/honey production and tried to get out of it that way)

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    A deposit bond won't help at all. These are only meant to replace the deposit (10%) until settlement. You will still have to come up with the money at settlement. If Ray has bought it already that means he has the initial deposit sorted anyway.

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    She can, but there are tax consequences. Non residents have to pay 29%+ tax with no tax free thresholds.

    It is good to have the option to distribute to them even if you don't as the rules often change and it may be beneficial in the future.

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    Post a letter to the adress.

    Do a title search and you can find out their names – but you won't find out where they live.

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    Council probably

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    It will be pretty difficult to get a loan to be used as a deposit on a purchase. memberfirst.com.au can do personal loans up to $30,000 at 9.25% but they won't lend for deposits unless you are contributing your own funds too.

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    Hi

    I think this is the relevant section from the Act linked above, Schedule 1A:

    (7) Income may be derived from the use or occupation of the former residence in a tax year if:

    (a) the income is derived from a lease, licence or other arrangement under which a person has a right to occupy the former residence and the total period for which any such right of occupation is conferred does not exceed 6 months in the tax year, or

    (b) the income is derived from any arrangement under which a person occupies the former residence, but the income is no more than is reasonably required to cover council, water and energy rates and charges and maintenance costs of the owner in respect of the residence.

    —-

    I think if you had a lease of 6 months then you may fall within these guidelines. After the 6 months is up issue another 6 month lease may still be allowable.

    I agree with crj you should speak to an expert and land tax as it could save you a fortune.

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    It can take around 3 weeks to get the actual cash as the bank has to send you documents, you sign, send back, and then settlement booked in etc. maybe 2 weeks

    And did you realise that with building loans the person has to chip in their bit before the bank starts releasing funds. eg. if you have borrowed 90%, then you must pay the first 10% and then the bank starts paying.

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    Its a difficult situation. Ideally you could move in for a brief period and then out again to maintain the CGT exemption and then sell later when prices rise again. But you don't want to get to the point where you can't afford it and over stretch it and then have to do a firesale.

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    Are you sure you are not exemption from land tax
    see LAND TAX MANAGEMENT ACT 1956 – SCHEDULE 1A
    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/ltma1956173/sch1a.html

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    Personal loans are usually short terms like 5 or 7 years max. That means the repayments are very high and this will affect serviceability much greater than a home loan of the same amount.

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    Hi Kimmy

    I suppose it depends on the wording of your contract. If you say subject to approval with westpac bank for an amount of not less than $320,000 than i think a pre-approval will not make the contract binding as it is not approved yet. But if you were to tell the agent or the vendor the loan was approved when it wasn't then you are effectively giving up reliance on that clause and ratifying the contract – so you could be locked in.

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