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    I think you will probably be a non-resident for tax purposes so you will be assessed in Canada on your income. You will probably have to declare the rent over there. You will also need a lodge a tax return here, but would get an offset for any tax paid over there. Besides, your income from the property may be close to nil anyway with the positive offsetting the loss.

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    Yes you can do it, in theory, but you will be assess on stamp duty as will the new owner. You may be able to minimise stamp duty by using options

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    Yes banks will include future rent of the property you are buying when considering serviceability

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    Yes you will need to declare the debt of the trust when you go for future loans. The same with loans you have guaranteed for a company as well.

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    hi J

    Of course you can still apply for loans separately even if you are married (if your wife lets you). You are still individuals not a combined unit so it is possible, for example, for 1 person of a marriage to go bankrupt with the other still solvent.

    Aparently this is different in some countries. I hear this is the case in japan, though I haven't looked into it. One partner can be held responsible for the debts of the other.

    I can't think of any lender that will go on payslips alone these days. Actually I think Westpac may be ok as Idid a few loans with them last year where summaries weren't supplied

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    Sounds like you don't have any other property if you are talking about the FHOG so probably best to get in your own names. If you buy in a trust you won't be able to get the FHOG and won't get a main residence CGT exemption either.

    If you buy with parents you could only get the grant if it is they qualify too – ie their first property. All people on the title must go on the loan too, so this complicates things.

    Using parents as a guarantor may help with the deposit side of things but not income. eg. your parents own a property and you use that as additional security. The bank will take a mortgage over their property too and this can help you save LMI by keeping the loan under 80% of the combined properties. If the parents have a mortgage then must be at the same bank as you too. This also complicates things and is risky to the parents. It would be better if they just lent you the money. Guarantors have no affect on tax.

    If you use a unit trust now you could still get the FHBG in the future (if it is still around) – but you lose on the CGT exemption.

    If you rent part of the house out while living there you will lose the CGT exemption on that part.

    I think you need to work out roughly what you want to do and then sit down with a tax advisor to work out ways to minimise the CGT and GST on the new block.

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    Best to use a lawyer to protect yourself by doing it all properly too.

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    If you don't own any other property you may be able to obtain the main residence CGT exemption on the property initially and the remaining part after sub-division.

    Depending on your incomes you may want to buy a larger percentage in the lower income earners name (also depending on when you intend to sell) so that less CGT is payable when the split off is sold.

    If not your main residence you may want to look into discretionary trusts (DT). If you want the profits fixed at 50/50 each then maybe a unit trust (can have your units owned by your DT)

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    saving a little bit in tax now could cost a fortune later in CGT.

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    There are stamp duty exemptions for transfering from trusts to individuals – but not sure of the other way around. And they wouldn't apply in most situations relevant to investments. eg trust set up to own property for a minor and then the property transferred to the individual when they reach 18.

    PI the recent case of Bamford has shown that trust deeds overrule the ATO when determining what is income so they don't always win, though they are appealing this in the High Court so they may still win. And the stamp duty is not a administered by the ATO, but by each state through the Office of State REvenue (in NSW).

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    why have 2 directors? you are just doubling the risk.

    Both must sign and both will be required to apply for the loan and act as guarantors.

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    Hi

    Not sure exactly what you are getting at, but if the couple are married/defacto then the title can be in one name and the loan in 2. If 2 names are on title, then both have to be on the loan as well.

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    knownothing wrote:
    After reading further in this forum, I got the impression that many posters agree that a LOC is practically the same as having a IO loan with offset, so am I correct is saying that if I do end up refinancing with a LOC (to get equity out of property) this in effect means my current loan needs to be increased to put that money into the LOC.  So I could in fact do the same with an IO loan with offset, by increasing the loan limit and putting that money in the offset account.

    Property Value = $400,000
    80% LVR = $320,000
    Loan = $250,000
    there is $70,000 equity in property.

    So does this mean if I pull that equity out regardless of whether it is a LOC or an IO loan with offset the loan value will need to be increased to $320,000 and the $70,000 would be available in either the LOC or offset account and both still reducing the interset you pay.

    Or do I have this totally wrong.

    If value is $400,000 and loan is $250,000 the equity would be $150,000. If you are borrowing 80% then the extra funds available would be $70,000

    Assuming rates are the same the interest on the LOC v the IO with offset would be the same if you were to put the extra funds in the offset.

    BUT there are important tax consequences resulting from withdrawing and depositing into loans. Interest is only deductible if the funds are borrowed for investment/business. If you use a IO with offset you are borrowing funds and parking it in the offset account before using it to invest. If you are using the offset for only borrowed funds then you may be ok as you can clearly trace the funds. But if you are mixing wages and rents in the offset then your borrowed funds become less distinguishable from the other funds into the account and this may complicate things if you wish to claim the interest.

    A possibly better way would be to set up a different account for the extra borrowings – $70k in the above eg. then pay the funds down on the loan to $1 and access it via redraw later when need be. – assuming there are no redraw fees etc.

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    Yeah doing that many you are probably operating a business of developing. You will be selling new houses so will need to charge GST for them as you will be turning over $75k you will need to register for GST.

    Developers don't necessarily pay 30% tax. This would be the tax rate for a company, but if you are doing it in personal names then you may pay up to 46% tax. It is best to look a discretionary trust structure to help minimise your tax.

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    You generally can't get a guarantee from someone for income or servicing purposes, unless from a spouse. There are issues with lending to people if they cannot demonstrate how they will pay the loan. If the person is a part owner of the property then it is ok – maybe a trustee or beneficiary of a trust for eg.

    Guarantees for the equity part are generally available for parents to guarantee kids loans. The parents property can be used as security in addition to the property being purchased- but they must have their loan with your bank too.

    But if you will have $160k cash then you won't need the guarantee.

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    The banks rely on the incomes of the guarantors, usually the directors of the company. If the company has any income such as rent from exisiting properties or the property being purchased then this can be taken into account too.

    Many banks will not lend to trading companies because of the risks they attract and you should never buy in a company that is running a business.

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    You could terminate the contract if you wanted to. If you want the property then you would have to wait or accept it with the tenants (and the problem of getting themout).

    You probably can't claim any damages as you haven't really suffered a loss, just a delay. But talk to your solicitor about this. Maybe you will be charged extra legal fees for all this and could ask the other party to pay this.

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    These days they tax you on how you tell them. So it depends on how you want to do it. You will have to back up your decision if they challenge you. Operating in a professional business like manner of building and selling will mean you are more likely a developer. If you do the odd house occaisionally you may not be. Maybe also GST registration is a factor. A developer would need to be registered.

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    Living off equity is a great strategy. Borrowing for living expenses is not deductible, but things can be structured so that you are borrowing to pay loans and then living on rents, so it can be deductible. The trouble is not bank will likely lend to you these days unless you have a good reason for needing the money. Borrowing to pay interest or for living expenses are no longer good reasons.

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    Yes death too needs to bne considered.. Depending on how the purchase is set up one person may leave their share to someone you don't like (tenants in common). What happens then!

    If you have the ownership as joint tenants then the property doesn't form part of the person's will at all, so if one person dies their share goes to the remaining 3. That will mean 1 couple will have 2 thrids ownership and more power maybe.

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