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    same principles apply whether you are renting or buying again. Deductibility depends on what the borrowed funds are used for.

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    Hi Wenever

    You have heaps of equity so heaps of potential. The first thing you should consider is making both loans interest only. Set up a LOC on each property for the equity up to 80% LVR (this may not be easy in this climate).

    Then you need some expert tax advice. You can structure the investment property in such a way that will pay off your home loan sooner. I roughly worked out that for every $100,000 in a LOC you can pay an extra $6,000 off your PPOR loan over and above what you are paying now. Your case may be much more.

    At the same time you can also start investing in further properties (and making further savings).

    You should look at setting up a discretionary trust. But you need to be careful on who you put where in it so as to maximise borrowing capacity. I would recomend 2 trusts with only one partner invovled in each. This will enable you to borrow more, ie increase long term serviceability.

    You could buy in the SMSF, but I would suggest you don't because any equity developed there won't be accessible. Look at shares maybe.

    Whether you should sell the child care centre would depend on if you think it is going to increase in value. Selling means CGT, and other costs, so it is only worth doing if it is underperforming.

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    Deductibility depends on what the borrowed funds are used for. So if you increase the loan to buy something for an investment then it may be ok, but if you increase your loan to get funds for the new house it would not be deductible as it will be a personal expense. Same with the recent increase to pay the crdit cards and car.

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    investrental wrote:
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    Just wanted to check here, I am reading that the second loan is on the first home and if so I thought that would not be tax deductable. 

    I would have thought that the second property should have a 80% mortgage using the first home equity as the deposit to get the best tax savings.

    Then subsequent purchases could be bounced off the investment property.

    It doesn't matter what the security is but what the funds are used for. Keeping the second loan separate to the first will allow access to the equity in the home and this loan can be used solely for investments and all the interest claimed.

    Subsequent purchase should be done using the same method. As equity increases you just set up a new loan on each property and use that as deposit and costs for the next one.

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    Yes, its not easy. St G will also want you to have been a customer for at least 6 months, same with Westpac.

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    Factor in placing the extra funds from the tax savings into the home loan too and it gets even better.

    And, maybe buying high yielding shares with a LOC and getting a margin loan and letting both the margin loan and the LOC capitalise while you put all dividends and tax savings into the home loan.

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    St G, Westpac, Suncorp can still

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    Any lender will borrow that much, but what you want is for them to lend!

    And yes there are still lenders who will lend up to 95%, though 90% is more common.

    LOCs are usually 80%, though some are up to 90% with LMI.

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    It is your parents main residence/? or have they ever lived there and do not own another property? If so they may claim the CGT exemption.

    If they have another property then i think they will be up for CGT>

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    thats about the limit of my knowledge. You will have to check with your accountant regarding depreciation as it only applied to properties purchase after a certain date.

    based on the about I would say your taxable gain would be no more than $50k. – but i am not a tax agent so may be wrong.

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    Oh, OK. You can only have 1 main residence at any one time.

    So I would think you can claim it as your main residence for the time you lived in it up to the time of moving out. So you would need a value for this date.

    You would also need a value at the date you moved back in as you can then begin to claim it again as your main residence.

    You should talk to a valuer about this as they can probably give you a value based on sales data.

    Say it was worth $200,000 when you started to rent it out and then $400,000 when you sell (it probably hasn't moved in the 4 months you moved back it.

    That is a $200,000 again.

    From this  you can deduct stamp duty and other purchase costs and then selling costs too such as legals and agents fees etc.

    Say $20,000

    Your net gain is then $180,000

    Then you have to add back any depreciation claimed – but this depends on when you purchased it and you may not have to in this situation.

    But assuming the gain after costs was $180,000 you would get the 50% CGT discount for holding it more than 12 months, so the assessable gain would be $90,000.

    If you jointly own with a spouse 50/50 this would be an extra $45,000 on each of your taxable incomes.

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    Hi JOhn

    Yep, keep saving into the offset if you have no other personal debt. Then ideally you will have a larger deposit for the PPOR when you do buy it.

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    I've never actually known anyone who has done it. I am just doing some sums now and think with $150k of equity you could potentially pay an extra $10k pa off a home loan.

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    Sounds right. They will need to see all proof of incomes etc again. While you are at it tell them NAB have offered you 5.79% and you may leave if ANZ can't match.

    Make sure you get the loan IO for as long as possible, 10 years I think, and with the offset account attached.

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    eg. if you have a $500,000 house with a $100,000 loan left.
    Set up a second loan for $300,000.
    Have the original loan of 100,000 still, and don't mix the 2. The $400,000 can be used for investments only and it could be a LOC or a IO loan with redraw.

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    I was suggesting you split the loan like Richard said. Pay down the loan and then reborrow the money again, but have this new portion as a separate loan.

    But you have little equity at the moment and it may not be feasible to do it this way. It may result in LMI again if you borrow more than 80%.

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    Keep paying down your PPOR loan and set up a split for the equity. Borrow from that new split for the deposit and costs for the new investment property. Never use your own cash, but put it into your home loan to reduce non-deductible debt asap.

    All investment loans should be interest only too.

    Once you have purchased one investment repeat the process.

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    i am confused by what you wrote above. You only rented it out for 5 years but have held it for 19 years.

    Did you live in it prior to renting it out?

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    There is a way you can make the loan bigger and have it all deductible, but you have to be very careful and should get a private ruling before doing so.

    This is how it works. You get a LOC on the existing property. You use this LOC to pay all associated expenses related to this property once it becomes a rental. The interest on the LOC will be deductible as it is for investment purposes. Then you also let the interest on this loan capitalise. Interest on interest is deductible depending on the purpose of the original borrowings.

    Taking it a stept further you then borrow from the LOC to pay the interest on the original loan.

    All rental income and wages etc are placed into a 100% offset account on the new PPOR loan.

    The end result is a high and increasing investment loan with a rapidly decreasing PPOR loan (or actually just the interest will decrease if using the offset).

    Please see a good tax advisor to implement this strategy.

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    If you have $380k cash to spend I would pay this onto any existing loan which is non-deductible. Then reborrow it (so the interest is deductible), by setting up a separate split, and use it for the investment property. Usually you would just used 20% deposit from this and borrow the remaining 80%.

    I too would shy away from a LOC as you can get a lower rate on a standard IO loan with free redraw – but you won't need redraw as you should put any extra money onto your non-deductible debt first and then once that is paid off into your offset account.

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