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Oh, you meant 'having' not halving.
There may be some advantages in having the unit trust – but I think nothing major.
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what do you mean by halving the unit trust?
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Why not just have the company then. that would be safer too. Just allocate shares to be held by each family trust. One major downside, however is that companies don't get the 50% CGT reduction whereas trusts do. But if you are having a company as owner then the CGT won't be available to the unit trust as shareholder – or maybe you mean the company will be trustee of the unit trust?
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I think the life of most fittings is only around 5 years, so there may not be much available there, but what about the building value too?
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Thanks Banker.
There is no legal requirement, that I know of, for a trustee to notify a third party of their capacity as trustee – so the loan, from a legal POV could be in the trustee's name, and this shouldn't cause any problems. I was just wondering how banks view this sort of thing. In most cases they probably would not know a trust was involved, though they may if the contract is signed '….as trustee for….
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Banker, do you know if there is a requirement to inform the bank that the trustee is acting in the capacity of trustee. Could you just leave out the fact that a trust is involved? (there may be a requirement under the new AML act).
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If he is coming to see you, then he is probably a 'vanilla' person – a mobile manager
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will save you more than 0.2% in hassle later on.
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NAB are a bit difficult too. My manager can't do them, company loans have to go to the commercial guys. Same with Westpac, no idea with CBA sorry, but it is worth a shot.
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In the good old days it wasn't a problem. These days it seems most loans in company names go to the commercial section – not sure on the consequences for rates, but they generally are more picky about what information they require.
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changing trustees will be painful.
It is much easier to have a company as trustee. then you will just need to change directors if you need to change control. No need for title changes etc.
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for NSW re stamp duty, look at s 54(3)
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/da199793/s54.html(3) Duty of $50 is chargeable in respect of a transfer of dutiable property to a person other than a special trustee as a consequence of the retirement of a trustee or the appointment of a new trustee, if the Chief Commissioner is satisfied that, as the case may be:
(a) none of the continuing trustees remaining after the retirement of a trustee is or can become a beneficiary under the trust, and
(b) none of the trustees of the trust after the appointment of a new trustee is or can become a beneficiary under the trust, and
(c) the transfer is not part of a scheme for conferring an interest, in relation to the trust property, on a new trustee or any other person, whether as a beneficiary or otherwise, to the detriment of the beneficial interest or potential beneficial interest of any person.
If the Chief Commissioner is not so satisfied, the transfer is chargeable with the same duty as a transfer to a beneficiary under and in conformity with the trusts subject to which the property is held, unless subsection (3A) applies.
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Better get advice from a lawyer, rather than a banker.
Changing trustees is not a simple matter if there are properties and loans involved. As the bank guy if you will have to reapply for the loan again – which i think you will because the legal ownership has changed. This will put you back into square one.
Then look into the stamp duty issues – depending on your deed and State you may be up for stamp duty again.
for 2. Trusts are not put on title. It is just the names of the trustees. So Smith and Jones as tenants in common. If you change trustees, then you will need to change title deeds to XYZ Pty.
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You can actually ring up lawcentral to get help with how to fill in the forms etc but they can't give you legal advice..
May i ask what you need the trust for? ie purchasing property or business? etc
Some things to consider:
If you will be purchasing property have you considered the implications of getting a loan? Guarantees – could be that all the unit holders may be required to give personal guarantees.
Also asset protection – or the lack of it. Unit holders could be liable for the trust's debt in some circumstances
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Looks like you maybe forming the trust by yourself. This can be unwise if you don't know what you are doing. If mistakes are made it can be extremely costly to rectify them.
Without seeing the whole thing I am not sure if the above is correct or incorrect.
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yep. its not 12.5 units each for the unit holders of trust 4. BEcause they are both trustees the own the 25 units on behalf of all the beneficairies of that trust.
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No. a caveat will prevent further dealings. It would need to be removed and lodged again. 1st mortgages will have priority over caveats.
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Trustees are the legal owners of the trust property so the trustee's name should go on title and all legal documents. If there are 2 trustees then both names should go on the documents.
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Seniors can still get loans if they are working – mostly self employed i guess.
Maybe we could all use our parents/grandparents to buy our properties and then set up testamentary trusts.
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crj wrote:Unless it is expressly contained in the agency agreement that the agent can settle personal injury claims, I do not think the agent would have either implied or ostensible authority to settle a potential claim for personal injuries
yes, i would think so too.
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