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- ummester wrote:dtrump wrote:If you are buying the property as a long term IP but in the short term (6 months) as a PPOR in order to get the FHOG, can you still use the proposed rental income as part of your loan application to incease your sevicabiltiy?
That's an interesting question. I wonder, if a loan was allowed under that pretext and the government got upset about it, would the buyer or the bank be liable.
I plan to by a PPOR with savings as deposit, so aren't really concerned about the 100% thing. I do plan to turn it into an IP after 6 months though, to use the tax savings to pay the residual down quicker. An extra 10k or so on the loan every 12 months, over 15 years, will make a massive difference to the length of the loan IMO.
Does the government often get 'upset' and not obey their own laws?
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dtrump wrote:If you are buying the property as a long term IP but in the short term (6 months) as a PPOR in order to get the FHOG, can you still use the proposed rental income as part of your loan application to incease your sevicabiltiy?Possibly.
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hegate wrote:if you didnt have a PPOR and were renting and had 2 IPs could you do this type of thing, ie. put all rental income into one offset account against a negitive geared property, to reduce the depb quickly to make it positive?Yep.
You have got to put your cash somewhere so you may as well be saving money by using an offset on the investment property. If you had a non deductible loan then you would want to have the offset on this loan, but if you don't then an investment loan is the next best thing.,Terryw | Structuring Lawyers Pty Ltd / Loan Structuring Pty Ltd
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The purpose of the loan is to buy the house. When the house is being lived in this interest is a private expense, when being rented it is a investment expense.
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Yes, definitely, you should look into setting up a LOC and borrowing to pay any short fall on the investment property, or even the whole cost of the investment property. There is no sense in you using you own cash as that will mean it will take you longer to pay off your own home.
You will need careful advice to set this up and should see a tax expert and get a private ruling or face the risk of the interest claim being disallowed.
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Have you got a copy of the valuation?
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Are there any specific pieces of paperwork you have to keep to prove that you were living in the property before a certain date, and then not living in the property after that date?
Nothing specific – the ATO/OSR may audit you and ask you to prove you lived there. It is up to you to show proof such as connections of electricity/phone/internet, change of electoral roll, letters etc. Also changing the electricity to that address may not be enough, there was a case in VIC where he connected the electricity, but the usuage amount showed he didn't live there.
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sfrodgers wrote:The biggest trap with LOC is that people use them for investment purposes and use them to pay personal expenses. A LOC should be set up to have all your rent paid into that account and then all your IP's outgoings paid from that account. No personal expense should be paid from the LOC because the tax department will crucify you.I almost agree – I would not suggest you pay the rent into the LOC, but to put the rent into the 100% offset account/Home loan (non deductible – to save non-deductible interest.
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valuation
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Yes you can use a trust. But you will have to overcome the PSI rules – personal services income. Check with your tax advisor.
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You can only have one PPOR at any one time, but if you were to get another property later you can change which one you class as the PPOR – and the first could be the main residence up to that point and be CGT exempt.
I think it might be better to get a high LVR loan initially and then put the spare cash in the offset account. This will result in the same interest, (but will cost you LMI). as values grow LMI forked out will become insignificant. It will also keep more cash available for emergencies.
I think there are some bargins out there. my mate sold a property in Whalan recently, 3 bedroom house rented for $290 pw – sold for $210,000 (because of illness). Its a bad area, but i feel that prices have to rise in future because all the surrounding areas are going up so high. Just make sure you get landlord's insurance.
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Don't want to give away too many secrets – but a very good location. The commercial property was empty, but soon found a tenant with a couple offering more than expected. I think that one was around 15% yield based on purchase price and someone offered $100,000 more to buy it before it even settled.
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yep, it would be unusual for a bank to give you a copy of the valuation. Sometimes you can get it out of them though.
You should see a broker about borrowing, but as a very rough guide you could get around 5 to 6 times your annual gross income in total loans – but would depend on a lot of variables.. up to 90% is still possible
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This is how I would do it.
Existing Loan, call it A, at $258,000 + offset account attached
Loan B, separate loan, at $79,500 Interest onlyFind a new property and take out
Loan C for 90% of the value, Interest Only
use loan B for depositLoans B and C should be deductible and this will keep your house from being used as security for the investment. Loan C could be at a different bank to Loans A and B.
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Scotts,
Not really. The company is a separate legal entity that doesn't allow distributions to beneficiaries. Any profits would be distributed to shareholders in accordance with the % of shares held. there is no flexibility in distributing money.
But there are ways to get money into the trust.
The first is for the trust to perform some sort of work for the company and for the company to pay the trust a fee for this. This may not be good for asset protection as the trust is engaging in business and could be sued – eg the company could go into liquidation and someone else, not so friendly, could control it and possibly sue for breaches of contract or mistakes made etc.
Another way is for the trust to own some or all of the shares of the company. This way the profit would flow into the trust. But if you have an existing business then there may be CGT and stamp duty on the transfer of shares.
A third way would be for the trust to run the actual business. There would be a company acting as trustee and legal owner, but it would be the trust that is the true owner in the tax sense. Any profits would go straight into the trust. This could be a separate trust than the property to make asset protection stronger or the same trust (if business fails you would very likely lose the property).
Hope that helps – but check the tax aspects with your accountant first as there are many other issues to consider.
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Agents estimates are worthless from a tax perspective as they are mere pitches to get your business and not valuations.
You can actually order a valuation and instruct the valuer that you want the value of the property as of a certain date.
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oh, and one property doubled in value within a year too!
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Usually high yields means high risks – the price had had to come to a level where the property could be sold.
But a mate of mine has recently purchased two properties in Sydney with very high yields. He could retire and live on the profits after taking into account the expenses and 100% borrowings – thats how high the yields were. One was commercial and the other residential.
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I believe so – but this may need to be apportioned over the total time. eg if you sell within 12 months and live in it 6 months of this time then it was an IP for 50% of the time you held it so you may only be able to claim 50%.
Also borrowing costs (such as LMI and app fees etc) are not capital costs and can be claimed against income over 5 years.
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Since commission is varaible – it could be nil in some months couldn't it – the banks will need to see a long history of you receiving it before they will take it into account. You would need between 1 yr and 12 months history i think
Maybe you could convince your employer to change you to a higher salary component for a month or so until you get the loan and then back again.
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