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You will take over the existing lease at settlement. So you will need to contact the agent or the tenants and tell them to start paying yourself.
I would make sure you look at the bond issue, and make sure you do a condition report asap. Doesn't really matter what they did before you owned it as you are buying as is, but you don't want them to do any damage from now on.
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Trusts are not legal entities, so the name on title will actually be the trustee and this is considered the trust owning the property.
Loans don't really matter for taxation it is the ownership that is important. If owned by X as trustee then it will be the trust that claims the interest and expenses, not X. You can have both names on the loan or guarantee the loan. Doesn't really matter which way.
I would think you should try one in your own names first and that way you could avoid tax if it was not your intention on doing it as a business.
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Lancelot1 wrote:Hi,Looking to set up a Discretionary Trust but I'm a bit confused as to whether I need to set up a "Family Company" as a beneficiary or can i use
"each corporation of which a Beneficiary is a director and owns at least one share (alone or with another person)"
to take advantage of income distribution at the 30% rate.
Also, what is the pros and cons of having a Family Company named as a beneficiary?
Many thanks in advance to all your inputs.
In most cases it probably won't matter, but I can think of one example when it will.
Say you name XYZ Pty Ltd as beneficiary and then later sell to a friend who is no beneficiary. Having named the company would mean it would still remain a beneficiary whereas if you didn't name it it wouldn't as you no longer have any shares. You may never want to distribute to a friend's company, but you might – especially if he had run up some losses down the track.
Why not have the wording of both?
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If you default on a loan the bank is going to eventually get your other assets, but have a mortgage will make it quicker and easier for them. If a property is mortgaged and you default they can take repossession and sell. If no mortgage they will have to get a judgment against you and then enforce it by applying to seize property etc.
But it is not just this, it is the flexibility of avoid cc that is important. You can move around and sell properties without getting approvals from the bank.
eg imagine if you had a $360,000 loan using 2 properties as security with a value of $200,00 each.
5 years later you want to sell property A for $210,000 and reduce the loan to $160,000. You will need the bank';s permission to do this as they hold the properties as security. Bit of a hassle but nothing major, unless property B has dropped in value. Say it is worth $160,000 now. that would leave the LVR at 100%.In this instance the bank would only allow the release of property A if the loan on property B was paid down to, say, 90%.
This happened to someone I know.If you had avoided CC you would not have a problem – with the bank anyway, but you would still have the problem of owning a house with a value less than the loan. But the bank would not know this.
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it means using 2 properties to secure one loan.
In your example you may have avoided CC, but you have to be careful as naughty bankers will still try to cross in some instances.
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You can only have one main resident at any one time (can have 2 over 6months under some circumstances), but you could have 100 properties and still claim 1. You could actually claim 6 or more- just not at the same time.
Read the leglislation, a118.145 above.
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good points.
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thanks
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Interesting – the 6 year CGT rule applies for absences for up to 6 years. You could be absent every 3 weeks, move in and have it as your main residence again, move out and in etc. It could apply maybe??? but a lot of hassle.
What about just buying a place and taking in a permanent flat mate? CGT may apply to half the property, but you may avoid this by only charging a small fee for 'board'.
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misleading and deceptive conduct perhaps?
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Whats an MDC?
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Insurance can't protect you in many cases.
say you start a business for example and it fails.
Or you start a company and give a personal guarantee and then your largest client goes under leaving you with no cashflow and your company collapses. Don't think there is insurance for this (there may be actually?) but you get the drift. Something can happen that is not entirely your fault and this could have devastating effect.
Asset protection is not as simple as forming a trust – it is more like an art than a science as you need careful planning to implement a strategy that works.
Unit trusts provide no asset protection, companies limited protection in certain circumstances and the same with discretionary trusts.
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s118.185 is the section concerned with moving into an investment property.
s 118.185
Partial exemption where dwelling was your main residence during part only of ownership period
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/itaa1997240/s118.185.htmlINCOME TAX ASSESSMENT ACT 1997 – SECT 118.185
Partial exemption where dwelling was your main residence during part only of ownership period
(1) You get only a partial exemption for a * CGT event that happens in relation to a * dwelling or your * ownership interest in it if:
(a) you are an individual; and
(b) the dwelling was your main residence for part only of your * ownership period; and
(c) the interest did not * pass to you as a beneficiary in, and you did not * acquire it as a trustee of, the estate of a deceased person.
(2) You calculate your * capital gain or * capital loss using the formula:


where:
"CG or CL amount" is the * capital gain or * capital loss you would have made from the * CGT event apart from this Subdivision.
"non-main residence days" is the number of days in your * ownership period when the * dwelling was not your main residence.
Note: The capital gain or loss may be further adjusted if the dwelling was used to produce assessable income: see section 118?190.
Example: You bought a house in July 1990 and moved in immediately. In July 1993, you moved out and began to rent it. You sold it in July 2000, making (apart from this Subdivision) a capital gain of $10,000.
You choose to continue to treat the dwelling as your main residence under section 118?145 (about absences) for the first 6 of the 7 years during which you rented the house out.
Under this section, you will be taken to have made a capital gain of:


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Terryw wrote:Dan,What about s118.192?
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/itaa1997240/s118.192.html(and what happened to s118.196, repealed by the look of it)
Sorry, I had this around the wrong way – This section applies when converting a PPOR to an investment. Then you will need a valuation.
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Yes, it may be possible under certain circumstances
see s118-145 ITAA
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I am being charged 3% on one property and 2.5% on another. But I am offering them more based on a progressive scale – the higher they sell for the more they get.
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Dan,
What about s118.192?
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/itaa1997240/s118.192.html(and what happened to s118.196, repealed by the look of it)
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two ways to do it.
1. Use the investment property as additional security for the new home and borrow 100% of the new home value
2. Borrow some money from the investment property, such as increasing the loan/redraw/LOC etc and then use this cash for deposit on the new home.
In both cases the money borrowed has been used for private expenses and the interest wouldn't be deductible.
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Yes.
There are basically two ways.
1. Borrow on your house and then on lend this to a trust.
2. Let the trust use your house as security, ie cross collateralise the loans.
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You may have a scheme – read that private ruling a bit more closely. I have links to more rulings where the outcome was positive too. Will post later.
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