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The Bank of Japan is, I believe, the japanese version of the reserve bank. They don't actually lend individuals money. So although the official rate may be 0%, or maybe 0.25 – 0.5% the rate for borrowers of housing loans is around 2-3% I think. there are some vendor finance type deals with low or no interest for the first few years though.
Secondly, it would be almost impossible for a non resident to borrow in Japan for Japanese property, let alone foreign property. It you were working in Japan and earning Yen you could borrow from an Australian bank based there, with low rates, say 2 to 3%, but the LVR would be 70% or less and the loan would be called in if you ever moved away from Japan and/or stopped earning income in Yen.
japanese lending policies are extremely strict because of the bursting of the bubble many years ago. So it is not easy to get a loan there.
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propertyjockey wrote:OK now I am confused.My vocation is subject to litigation. Because of this my accountant has advised, any property I buy should be purchased under the umbrella of a family discretionary trust. The owner of the property is the name of the trust.
At present, I am the trustee of this trust with my family as beneficeries. That is to say the entity known as PJ.
I only became aware of using a further 'arms length' method of ensuring the trustee is a pty ltd company. The sole share holder being myself. This still gives me administrative control as trustee but with an added layer of protection.
If it is the company(trustee) that owns the property and not the trust, how does the trust hand out income to its beneficeries if it owns nothing?
I was under the impression the role of the trustee (company or not) is simply administrative.
PJ
Please excuse the ignorance. Everyone has to start somewhere.
It takes a while for this info to sink in.
Broadly speaking there are two ways to own property – for yourself and on behalf of someone else.
The best example is children's bank accounts. If a mum opens an account for the 2 yr old child she is owning the property (ie the money). Whose money is it? It is in the mums name but the kid is the true owner. This would be an example of a bare trust.
So the trustee is the legal owner, but the trustee only owns the property for the beneficiaries of the trust – these are the beneficial owners of the property. This is why if a trustee is sued the property of the trust is, generally, out of reach.
The role of the trustee is more than administrative – they are the legal owners and can do with the property as per their agreement with the beneficiaries.
There are also 2 aspects of asset protection.
The first is if a trustee is sued as an individual. eg you are trustee of your property trust and are sued because of defamation related to your personal issues. The property that you own as trustee for others is not able to be taken from you to fulfill any judgment – generally, there are many exceptions.
The second is if the trust itself is sued. the trust is not a legal entity, so it is the trustee that is sued. In this case the trustee may be liable for the judgment but is generally indemnified from the trust assets. But, if the trust does not have enough assets to satisfy the judgment then the trustee's other assets will be at risk. This is why you should use a company for anything in which there is a risk of being sued – such as owning real property or a business. If you just own shares there is no real risk of the trust being sued as shareholders are not liable for anything the company does.
Using a company as trustee also has other advantages such as:
– helps to clearly distinguish personal assets from trust assets.
– easy to change control of the trust. You just change directors. If you are a personal trustee you would have to change title deeds and loans etc
– easy to add people
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This is a complex question.
Once Joe becomes a resident here for tax purposes he would have to declare his interest in the trust over there and would probably have to pay tax on the income of the trust even though it is overseas. He needs good advice.
To start off here Joe could get a loan from the os trust or a gift – but again he will need advice as the ATO has introduced complex rules regarding trusts. He could find himself taxed on the loan as if it is income if not planned properly.
In Australia you must pay stamp duty on land transferred into a Trust, in all states I think. Shares no longer have stamp duty problems, but transferring shares may cause CGT to be payable by the transferor. If you want to introduce cash to the trust you can do so as a gift or a loan = each with different consequences for asset protection
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morrissue70 wrote:Avoid CGT? Buy CF+ (yes they exist) and dont sell. Just research well in terms of where you buy so you get a good growth return thats the key.This won't help – actually not selling will help, but not the buying CF+ bit
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itsandrew wrote:Hi guys,When accessing equity in one property as deposit for other IP's is there a problem using just one LOC to fund the deposit for multiple IP's? Or should you take several loans, one for each new property?
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Andrew
HI Andrew
Generally no issue with using one LOC. As long as all interest is deductible you can just apportion it between the properties – even if you get the portions wrong the overall deductions should be the same.
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You need a decent broker, but may also need tax advice.
eg. If you are planning on moving out and renting that place you may want advice on using the LOC to pay the loan and costs on the current PPOR while building up cash reserves in a offset account.
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Lisa,
I spoke to my tax man and he said there is not much they can do. Just try to obtain a valuation for as high as possible for the 5 acre portion surrounding the house as this would be exempt from CGT/
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LOC = Line of credit.
They generally have slightly higer rates but not always. You may also be able to use a normal IO loan too – ideally one with free redraw.
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There is really only one way to reduce a loan and that is to get more money into it. Using an offset account will help too as your money sitting there saves interest
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You could have foreign beneficiaries. Nothing wrong with that, Just consider the tax consequence as non residents pay higher taxes.
The overseas trust could loan or gift to Australian trust. No real tax consequences on gifts. If a loan and you want to pay interest there will be tax issues. The trustee may have to withhold tax or the interest may not be claimable if you control the overseas trust and the ATO considers it your money – especially if the trust is located in a tax haven.
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MRW wrote:"I would put all the money on the house and personal debts (and avoid the wedding! sorry!)."
That's interesting. We've just bought a new PPOR and lets just say we have a lot still owing. We have approx $100,000 sitting in an offset account that we were eventually going to use to buy another IP. Should we be putting it on the PPOR instead?
"This will reduce non deductible interest. Then reborrow and invest."
So in our case it would be better to put the $100,000 on the PPOR and then reborrow it? By 'reborrow' do you mean use the extra equity in some way?
Can anyone recommend a good book or 3 on the finance side of investing? That to me seems to hardest thing to become proficient in."(and avoid the wedding! sorry!)."
too late for me on that one I'm afraid

Steve, sorry to hear of your loss. I'm sure you'll get solid advice here.
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MarkHi Mark
Just think about it step by step.
If you take $100,000 out of your offset account what will happen to the interest on your house loan?
It would increase by about $7,000 pa.Would this extra interest be deductible?
No, because it is a house loan for a private residence.So assume you had paid the $100,000 into the loan. You would still pay the same interest as before – as when the $100,000 was in the offset.
Now you can reborrow that $100,000. Best way to do this is to set up a new loan to keep it all separated.
You borrow the $100,000 and invest it.You would pay $7,000 pa approx in interest. But because this money was borrowed to invest the interest will be deductible.
This could save you about $3000 pa in tax.There are no books that I know of that cover this sort of thing. Best to keep reading the forums I think
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Yes, the house and adjacent land up to 2 hectares would be exempt. So perhaps try to estimate the value of that and the value of the whole property and then work more acrurately what the CG will be. From there you can plan your strategy.
I will speak to my accountant tomorrow about another matter and mention it to him.
When do you think your parents will be selling?
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Lisa
You should get a professional,. I have a guy, ex ATO of 26 years. I will ask him if he could help.
Wiht a trust I was thinking you could sell at market values now quickly before the value increases and then you would have the trust sell later for a higher amount. But this may not be worth it unless there is a large increase in value.
Is the property a farm or being used as a farm?
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The laws around international tax are complex, and I haven't looked into them in any detail.
My understanding is that the ATO wants to tax you on your worldwide income, so they ask and want to know your world wide income. Using a company to hold your assets overseas may mean this is still required to be reported – I think there is a question about this on the ATO tax return.
Whether you have to pay tax or not, and where will depend on the situation. There is a double taxation agreement between USA and Australia so you shouldn't be taxed twice. And what tax you pay will also depend on what the income is, if any – eg is it a dividend from the company, wages, partnership income etc. All these may be taxed at different rates.
Also, leaving the money overseas shouldn't affect whether you pay tax on it here or not.
Do a search on the ATO site and you will find something.
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If you have enough equity in another property, then you could port the loan over to that one. But I can't see the point.
You pay interest on the outstanding amount of a loan. So why not pay out the old one and take a new one when needed? It will be a lot of mucking around and the only benefits that I can think about are the savings in exit fees, but these are likely to be eaten up with other fees.
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What is the security for the loan?
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I would put all the money on the house and personal debts (and avoid the wedding! sorry!).
This will reduce non deductible interest. Then reborrow and invest.
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hi Lisa
You need to get expert advice on this considering the sums. Use someone good.
I am not sure there is much you could do, but there may be something involving small business concessions or farming relating.
If you property has more than 1 title you may be able to sell in separate tax years too. Or you may be able to sell to a trust now, one that you control, at a lower transfer amount and then the trust sell to developers later on – stamp duty etc now may be less than the tax later.
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Well, there is no way that I know of to minimise stamp duty on a transfer like this – other than to get a valuer and tell him the situation and ask for a valuation as low as possible. However this may only save you a few hundred.
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Mum would pay CGT on the profit on her half of the house. You can pay under market rents but this will limit her ability to claim deductions.
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