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    This is a complex question.

    Once Joe becomes a resident here for tax purposes he would have to declare his interest in the trust over there and would probably have to pay tax on the income of the trust even though it is overseas. He needs good advice.

    To start off here Joe could get a loan from the os trust or a gift – but again he will need advice as the ATO has introduced complex rules regarding trusts. He could find himself taxed on the loan as if it is income if not planned properly.

    In Australia you must pay stamp duty on land transferred into a Trust, in all states I think. Shares no longer have stamp duty problems, but transferring shares may cause CGT to be payable by the transferor. If you want to introduce cash to the trust you can do so as a gift or a loan = each with different consequences for asset protection

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    morrissue70 wrote:
    Avoid CGT? Buy CF+ (yes they exist) and dont sell. Just research well in terms of where you buy so you get a good growth return thats the key.

    This won't help – actually not selling will help, but not the buying CF+ bit

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    itsandrew wrote:
    Hi guys,

    When accessing equity in one property as deposit for other IP's is there a problem using just one LOC to fund the deposit for multiple IP's? Or should you take several loans, one for each new property?

    Regards,

    Andrew

    HI Andrew

    Generally no issue with using one LOC. As long as all interest is deductible you can just apportion it between the properties – even if you get the portions wrong the overall deductions should be the same.

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    You need a decent broker, but may also need tax advice.

    eg. If you are planning on moving out and renting that place you may want advice on using the LOC to pay the loan and costs on the current PPOR while building up cash reserves in a offset account.

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    Lisa,

    I spoke to my tax man and he said there is not much they can do. Just try to obtain a valuation for as high as possible for the 5 acre portion surrounding the house as this would be exempt from CGT/

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    LOC = Line of credit.

    They generally have slightly higer rates but not always. You may also be able to use a normal IO loan too – ideally one with free redraw.

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    There is really only one way to reduce a loan and that is to get more money into it. Using an offset account will help too as your money sitting there saves interest

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    You could have foreign beneficiaries. Nothing wrong with that, Just consider the tax consequence as non residents pay higher taxes.

    The overseas trust could loan or gift to Australian trust. No real tax consequences on gifts. If a loan and you want to pay interest there will be tax issues. The trustee may have to withhold tax or the interest may not be claimable if you control the overseas trust and the ATO considers it your money – especially if the trust is located in a tax haven.

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    MRW wrote:
    "I would put all the money on the house and personal debts (and avoid the wedding! sorry!)."
    That's interesting. We've just bought a new PPOR and lets just say we have a lot still owing. We have approx $100,000 sitting in an offset account that we were eventually going to use to buy another IP. Should we be putting it on the PPOR instead?

    "This will reduce non deductible interest. Then reborrow and invest."

    So in our case it would be better to put the $100,000 on the PPOR and then reborrow it? By 'reborrow' do you mean use the extra equity in some way?

    Can anyone recommend a good book or 3 on the finance side of investing? That to me seems to hardest thing to become proficient in.

    "(and avoid the wedding! sorry!)."
    too late for me on that one I'm afraid ;-)

    Steve, sorry to hear of your loss. I'm sure you'll get solid advice here.


    Mark

    Hi Mark

    Just think about it step by step.

    If you take $100,000 out of your offset account what will happen to the interest on your house loan?
    It would increase by about $7,000 pa.

    Would this extra interest be deductible?
    No, because it is a house loan for a private residence.

    So assume you had paid the $100,000 into the loan. You would still pay the same interest as before – as when the $100,000 was in the offset.

    Now you can reborrow that $100,000. Best way to do this is to set up a new loan to keep it all separated.
    You borrow the $100,000 and invest it.

    You would pay $7,000 pa approx in interest. But because this money was borrowed to invest the interest will be deductible.
    This could save you about $3000 pa in tax.

    There are no books that I know of that cover this sort of thing. Best to keep reading the forums I think

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    Yes, the house and adjacent land up to 2 hectares would be exempt. So perhaps try to estimate the value of that and the value of the whole property and then work more acrurately what the CG will be. From there you can plan your strategy.

    I will speak to my accountant tomorrow about another matter and mention it to him.

    When do you think your parents will be selling?

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    Lisa

    You should get a professional,. I have a guy, ex ATO of 26 years. I will ask him if he could help.

    Wiht a trust I was thinking you could sell at market values now quickly before the value increases and then you would have the trust sell later for a higher amount. But this may not be worth it unless there is a large increase in value.

    Is the property a farm or being used as a farm?

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    The laws around international tax are complex, and I haven't looked into them in any detail.

    My understanding is that the ATO wants to tax you on your worldwide income, so they ask and want to know your world wide income. Using a company to hold your assets overseas may mean this is still required to be reported – I think there is a question about this on the ATO tax return.

    Whether you have to pay tax or not, and where will depend on the situation. There is a double taxation agreement between USA and Australia so you shouldn't be taxed twice. And what tax you pay will also depend on what the income is, if any – eg is it a dividend from the company, wages, partnership income etc. All these may be taxed at different rates.

    Also, leaving the money overseas shouldn't affect whether you pay tax on it here or not.

    Do a search on the ATO site and you will find something.

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    If you have enough equity in another property, then you could port the loan over to that one. But I can't see the point.

    You pay interest on the outstanding amount of a loan. So why not pay out the old one and take a new one when needed? It will be a lot of mucking around and the only benefits that I can think about are the savings in exit fees, but these are likely to be eaten up with other fees.

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    What is the security for the loan?

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    I would put all the money on the house and personal debts (and avoid the wedding! sorry!).

    This will reduce non deductible interest. Then reborrow and invest.

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    hi Lisa

    You need to get expert advice on this considering the sums. Use someone good.

    I am not sure there is much you could do, but there may be something involving small business concessions or farming relating.

    If you property has more than 1 title you may be able to sell in separate tax years too. Or you may be able to sell to a trust now, one that you control, at a lower transfer amount and then the trust sell to developers later on – stamp duty etc now may be less than the tax later.

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    Well, there is no way that I know of to minimise stamp duty on a transfer like this – other than to get a valuer and tell him the situation and ask for a valuation as low as possible. However this may only save you a few hundred.

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    Mum would pay CGT on the profit on her half of the house. You can pay under market rents but this will limit her ability to claim deductions.

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    I would do one per trust – but the costs start to add up $500 stamp duty on each trust is NSW now!

    Sounds like you are unsure how trusts work. The company will be the trustee and legal owner of the property. You wouldn't transfer properties into a trust later on, but do it from the beginning. Otherwise you would pay CGT and stamp duty on the transfer. It is is a development definitely use a new trust.

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    I would look at doing both.

    Buy your house for cash live in it, get the FHOG and CGT exemptions, and immediately set up a LOC on it and then buy an investment.

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