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    The ATO is concerned with anything that may save someone tax. It is still possible to do though.

    see this private ruling for example:
    PBR 83291
    http://www.ato.gov.au/rba/content.asp?doc=/RBA/Content/83291.htm

    and
    PBR Authorisation Number: 1011415913206
    http://www.ato.gov.au/rba/content.asp?doc=/RBA/Content/1011415913206.htm

    See also this old TR concerning a unit trust – which they have concerns about.
    TR 2002/18
    http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?docid=TXR/TR200218/NAT/ATO/00001

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    Don't forget Steve was wrapping properties, so was getting a deposit from the purchasers as well. The properties back then were around $50,000 and the deposits from the FHOG were $7,000 per property.

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    The trustee is the legal owner of trust property and its name goes on all title documents such as land titles, bank accounts, share certificates etc. With land the trust is not mentioned on any title documents, but with bank accounts you could have the account as trustee for the xx trust.

    There is new legislation relating to anti-money laundering and anti-terrorism and so your bank may need to or try to indentify the trust and the people behind it, to a certain extent.

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    Sorry, just reread and see your first loan is also an investment..

    If you don't have non deductible debt I would still suggest the above set up but have a 100% offset account linked to one of the IO loans and plough all cash in there while still borrowing the money to fund repayments. This will free up cash for future personal use if the need should arise.

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    Get a LOC of up to 80% of the value, less existing loan. Make sure it is a separate loan.

    Value $500,000
    80% = $400,000
    Existing loan = $100,000
    So the LOC would be $300,000 max

    Then the deposit and stamp duty etc should come from the LOC with the remaining coming from a new IO loan.

    Talk to your accountant before you begin about using the LOC to fund the payments of the interest on your IO investment loan, and other costs, and then cash freed up can be used to pay down your non-deductible loan first.

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    neil mackay wrote:
    Some time ago we were required to refund our small development. We approached several brokers over a 12 month period and finally one broker came through with a mandated letter of offer from a funder. So we duly filled out the paper work and paid our fee 5k+ and sent it off. One month goes by and it appears the funder has no funds but has collected our fee, according to the agreement there's  a scale of refund.
    So we sent off our request to the broker and to cut a long story short after many phone calls and emails  hes still looking into it and several months have passed and to make it a bit more difficult he is in Victoria and I live in NSW.

    What would you do?

    What does your agreement say?

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    You don't need a PIT trust to avoid vesting. All you need is a trust set up in South Australia, the only state in Australia without laws against perpetuities (but could they introduce laws in the next 80years????).

    Also, having a property in a discretionary trust only provides limited asset protection. How well protected it is will depend on how you use it and structure it.

    The idea of holding a property in a spouses name is good (and not necessarily the wife) but it can be argued, and has been argued, that one spouse is holding the property as trustee for the other, especially if the non title spouse is paying the loans – see Cummins v FCT.

    I think owning in a trust can be very good idea, but the biggest drawback is the CGT issue. But this may be resolved by having another property as your main residence, under the absence rules exempting CGT. That way you get the best of both worlds.

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    Hi Stacey

    Thanks for the reply.

    Not all increase in stock value would be profit.

    eg. say you had $200,000 worth of cups in your cup shop at the start of the year and then these increased in value (due to a dramatic increase in the demand for cups maybe.

    At the end of the year these cups may be worth $500,000. A $300,000 increase.

    But if you haven't sold any cups, then you haven't made any profit. Its like owning property that goes up in value. You are only taxed when you sell and make a profit.

    ps I am not an accountant.

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    Hi Stacey

    Some good points, but also some inaccuracies.

    You are confusing income with corpus. Any income of a trust that is not distributed at the end of the financial year will be taxed in the hands of the trustee at the top rate. So it pays to distribute!

    But any assets of the trust – such as real property, cash in the bank, shares, stock (eg. items of a shop) would not need to be distributed. Paying PI on a loan should not matter – it just means less interest and therefore higher profits.

    Generally you should distribute the trust income to the lowest tax payers in your family group until the point is reached when distributing any more to them would mean they are paying more than 30% tax. There after you would look at distributing to companies and capping the tax at 30%.

    One trust can also distribute to another trust – subject to some rules, or earn an income from that trust by providing services. 

    Assett doesn't equal stock and this doesn't equal profit. Just think if you had a cup shop and had $20,000 worth of cups sitting there unsold. This is not profit.

    Not sure about the ATo allowing journal entries now without the actual movement of cash. I think it is better to have the distrbution paid and then lent back to the trust.

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    You can't really expect appreciation because values are said to be rising. You should probably look at recent sales of comparable houses and see what they are selling for (not advertised for). If values come in as expected, the next step would be to ask your bank for an increase.

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    An ABN is just a registered business number. It is the entity behind the ABN that is the legal owner and that is what is important.

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    You should also read your trust deed and see if there is anything in it to prevent a beneficiary living or utlilising trust assets. You may have to pay market rent for example.

    Also consider losses – may be trapped in the trust if the trust has no other income.

    On the plus side, you may be able to claim more things depending on how it is structured.

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    hi Nadaimee

    I think you may find SMSF can't do this sort of thing. Property held by a SMSF is unable to be developed or substantially renovated. Any profit would also be locked in the fund until you are able to retire or take a pension etc.

    The DT should be a good option and any land tax or negative cashflow initially shouldn't matter too much if you are selling and making a profit.

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    Is your broker qualified to give tax advice? Ask him to back up his advice in writing and see what he says.

    You will also find it very hard to finance a property in the name of one person if both are on title. The person not on title would have to guarantee the loan.

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    Yes, that broker doesn't know much – don't use him would be my advice.

    Ask him what would happen if you crossed the loans and needed to sell one property but the remaining one had dropped in value?

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    I would think you should have a separate structure for each country. There are lots of tax implications with investing os and one structure would not fit both countries.

    I am not sure what you mean by 'double protection'. its not really double, but protection against 2 separate events.

    Having a corporate trustee will protect the individual behind the trust if the trustee is sued. And having a discretionary trust will, in many cases, protect the assets owned by the trust against creditors of the individual.

    A discretionary trust can't control structures, you will need a legal entity such as a person or company to control the trusts.

    There is no real need to use a company as trustee for a trust that only trades in shares and there is little to no chance that a shareholder could get sued. if investing in property that is a chance that the owned of the property, the trustee, could get sued, eg by a tenant, so this poses more risk.

    ideally you would have one property per trust in case the trustee is sued – best to have each one in a new basket, but this may cost a bit.

    Most trusts are worded in a way that companies can be added later as beneficiaries if need be.

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    Going guarantor would expose you and your assets if things went wrong. If your husband stopped paying the loan, then you would have to, if you couldn't your husband could lose that house, and if the sale of the house is not enough to pay the loan, then the bank could come after you and your assets.

    Having a caveat won't help. This will only prevent your husband from selling or further mortgaging the property – and is still a good idea.

    To protect your existing assets, there is not much you can do.

    Also, you husband being recently out of bankruptcy would mean he would find it very difficult to get a loan.

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    you will also find the PPOR CGT exemption is only land up to 5 acres

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    Since both names are on title you will just have to treat it like a normal sale. Get a contract drawn up, find a buyer and both of you sign the contract as sellers. Both of you also need to sign discharge documents for the bank and transfer.

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    Max value wrote:
    PaulDobson wrote:

    "The answer to your question is a technical one – there is no assignment of property in an instalment contract. What happens is that the vendor is entering into a Contract for Sale. It is only on completion that an assignment (known as a Transfer) takes place.
    An Instalment Contract is a Contract for Sale with a delayed completion.

    So Paul,

    Does this mean that we would pay stamp duty at the time of transfer (in this case 6-7 years into the arrangement). It would be handy for our cashflow at this time if this were the case.

    In NSW stamp duty is payable within 3 months of exchange of contracts – or at settlement if that is earlier. Other states differ, and VIC used to be at settlement, even if that was many years later (not sure if it still is)

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