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Looks like you are right:
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HL8. Owner occupation and leasing
Note:
This clause does not apply to investment loans.
HL8.1 Consent to lease
If we give you the Loan so you can buy or build a home to live in, you must not lease the home without our prior consent
(see clause 11.2).
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Are you sure about that? The ones that I have read have a similar clause, but another clause says you don’t need permission if renting out under a standard residential lease.
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You should get legal advice on who should be the mortgagee – I would not recommend a company generally.
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if not audited then no problem. If audited you would need evidence you lived there.
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It could be a company but who would own the shares?
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I see – it is just a marketing term. More commonly called the ‘gift and borrow back strategy’.
My answers to your questions below:
– What is an Irrevocable Mortgage?
A name for a strategy where a related entity places a mortgage over the property of another entity. It is not really ‘irrevocable’.– How do you utilise this to protect your equity?
Set up a new discretionary trust which you then contract with and it takes a mortgage over title of your property to secure its interest.– What are the benefits?
Improved Asset protection on bankruptcy of the individual mortgagor.– What are the drawbacks?
Complexity
Not 100% effective, especially in the early years.
Estate planning issues on your death
costs– How does it compare to having a trust?
A trust is needed.– What are the setup costs?
depends – probably around $5k for the average person.– Are there any ongoing costs?
Generally not– Is the setup cost per property or can it be for your entire portfolio?
You could have an equitable mortgage over all your assets, but a real legal mortgage would need to be registered over each property to improve priority to the mortgagee.Terryw | Structuring Lawyers Pty Ltd / Loan Structuring Pty Ltd
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There is no minimum requirement to live in the property, but it must be reestablished as the main residence again. You property could possibly exempt from CGT if you sold before Oct 2019.
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Sounds like something that is from America.
Who would be the mortgagee and what would it secure? Where did you hear about it? was the person legally qualified and licenced?
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I think this may be the one King referred to which is in the legislation:
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Example: You live in a house for 3 years. You are posted overseas for 5 years and you rent it out during your absence. On your return you move back into it for 2 years. You are then posted overseas again for 4 years (again renting it out), at the end of which you sell the house.
=Yes this main residence could get the full exemption – provided it meets the other requirements.
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Hi Terry
Just wanted to confirm. The example in your link, would they be exempt from CGT when he sold the property, or would 4/6 of the capital gains be subject to CGT?
ThanksTo be sure we are talking the same thing, can you copy and paste the example?
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Hi James,
This is assuming the property is your MPR (as is assumed in brackets at the end of my quote).
You are right! I missed it, as I was unaware of the acronym “MPR”. I know the term as PPOR – Principal Place of Residence? Was the change to MPR (Main Primary Residence) a recent change?
And isn’t “main primary” tautological? I wonder who thought up that darling?
*confused*
BennyI have never seen MPR either. In commonwealth tax it is known as the main residence (since 1997) and NSW tax it is called the Principle place of residence.
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Are you sure the 6 year period can be reset?
https://www.ato.gov.au/General/Capital-gains-tax/Your-home-and-other-real-estate/Your-main-residence/Treating-a-dwelling-as-your-main-residence-after-you-move-out/
If you read the example of Rami, it appears you only get 6 years in total. Not unlimit d 6 year intervals on the basis you move back in within 6 years.Yes the 6 year rule can be reset if a person moves back again. Look at the actual legislation and the example given:
http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/cth/consol_act/itaa1997240/s118.145.htmlTerryw | Structuring Lawyers Pty Ltd / Loan Structuring Pty Ltd
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Bic could be totally exempt.
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Who was the seminar with?
My hunch is that they offer buyers agent services
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There can be advantages in using a loc and not mortgaging the property being purchased. One is that when you subsequently do mortgage it and borrow against it the lender can lend based on value and not purchase price.
E. G. Find a house valued at $100k and buy it for $80k using a loc secured against another property. 1 day after settlement apply for finance and borrow $100k X 80% = $80k. This works out to be 100% LVR based on purchase price.
Good in theory but difficult in practice.The down sides are this would be treated as cash out borrowing and be much more restrictive than borrowing to buy the place.
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Yes and it could be done so as to maintain deductibility of interest
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Borrow against the main residence as and use this 25% as deposit and costs and borrow 80% against the new property.
Even though you may live in the new property consider the tax consequences of if you were to move out so as to structure things in a way where all the interest would be deductible on the full purchase price plus costs.
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I think rams loans were bought out several years ago and the rates quickly increased. Many borrowers could not refinance and were stuck there and had to cop the rate rise.
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What would happen if they went belly up is that the debt would be assigned to someone else. Someone would buy their loan books and you would contine to repay as per normal to the assignee.
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Selling 3 on one title is much better than selling 3 on separate titles, hence the discount.
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