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    Trusts don't have directors – only trustees or or directors of the trustee company.

    Adding a director will not result in any stamp duty implications.

    If you have an individual as trustee and want to change this by adding another trustee then this is not so easy. The trustee has the title to property in their names so changing the trustee will result in need to change the title to all property. This will mean changing and re applying for all loans. Stamp duty on this may be applicable or may not – you have to look in the Duties Act of the state the property is located in. see for NSW,
    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/da199793/s54.html

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    This is why it is a good reason to use a lawyer rather than a conveyancer. I would probably issue a notice to complete within 14 days and then wait and see what happens. You may have to put it back on the market and keep their deposit and sue for damages.

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    propertybee wrote:
    thanks again xdrew, terryw and streaminvesting.

    To anyone:  when should we prepare this informal loan document, before purchasing the property ( after making the offer to buy the property or even during the search for the property to buy ) , during purchase, during settlement or after purchase/settlement.  Can this informal loan document be drawn anytime as long as we know how much I am going to lend to my son? 

    Usually loans are documented before the lending is done. Doing it later will weaken it – making it look more like a sham to defeat creditors. I would prepare it now. Lend him more than he needs and then he can give some back if need be.

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    Only lawyers can prepare legal documents.

    You can have terms such as interest free, principle payable after x years etc.

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    Priority.

    Having an informal loan agreement could mean missing out if things go wrong and other creditors have competing claims and establish greater priority. Having a registered mortgage will give the greatest priority.

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    Watch out for and/or nominee. If you have not formed the trust before entering the contract you could be up for double stamp duty – check with your solicitor first.

    Trusts can be set up in a few minutes.

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    hi Luke

    I used to be against selling, but now can see the value in it – especially with the greater difficulty in now getting loans.

    A good reason to sell would be to pay off personal debt. So selling an IP with a lot of equity in it while you have a high non-deductible loan would be an example.

    If we are talking about selling a PPOR to use the proceeds to invest, then this isn't a good idea. Firstly the CGT free status will be lost and would be wasted if you are not claiming another place as your main residence. CGT is a very big issue. Imagine you had a $500,000 gain = $125,000 in possible tax payable.

    Also by tying up your cash in investments you won't be able to buy a place to live in in the future – or you will end up borrowing more which means higher non deductible debt, while possibly having to pay tax on your positive geared proeprties.

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    The only pit fall would be setting it up incorrectly and having the interest denied by the ATO – and possible fine.

    There are some private rulings in which this strategy has been rejected recently. I have posted links to these here before. you should read those first.

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    unless you had previously lived in the property by moving in now you would not be able to save much tax at all.

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    To be exempt from duty the property will have to be used as the main residence at the date of transfer.

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    you should see a solicitor. You would need a written loan agreement and mortgage drawn up. the mortgage has to be registered with the land titles office in the state of the property. You should prepare it in advance and lodge the mortgage on settlement after the bank lodges theirs.

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    What is a PSI Trust?

    PSI could refer to personal services income which is income generated from the effort of a person. Even if run through a trust the income is taxed as if the individual earned it and not the trust. To get the income classed as trust income certain rules have to be met.

    So be very careful

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    If you borrow to pay out personal debt the interest will not be deductible.

    What you could do is to set up your loans carefully so that you may be able to borrow to pay interest expenses on the investment loans and to divert cash to the private debt. You will need professional advice and a private ruling may be a good idea – make sure your accountant is up to it and understands this and has read other private rulings on the issues.

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    Sounds like you don't really understand trusts. I would suggest you try to learn more before trying to use one. Get some expert advice too.

    Whether you buy in the trust or not will depend on a whole range of issues. Firstly are you able to borrow 90% with a company as trustee? You should be checking this with your broker and then doing some sums which compare buying under your name v the trust.

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    you can probably keep their deposit and sue them for any shortfall on a subsequent sale. Whether you get anymore money out of them will depend if they have any assets.

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    It just means income is greater than expenses.

    You will need to factor in all expenses such as rates etc too. Not necessarily principle of the loan tho.

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    I should add, that way if you marry someone in 10 days and he/she has 5 children then they will automatically become beneficiaries. If you want to add a company as beneficiary down the track then you can form a new one and become director of it and it will become a beneficiary – then you can distribute to that and cap the tax at 30%.

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    You couldn't have a trust with you as trustee and sole beneficiary – otherwise it wouldn't be a trust, and there would be no discretion.

    But what you do is have a trust with the beneficiaries being X, children of X, step children, spouses, grand children, grand parents, cousins, and any company in which any beneficiariy is director, shareholder or office holder etc.

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    steve4750 wrote:
    I might also mention that my business partner and I are both unmarried and with no dependents… From what I've read, the benefits of discretionary trusts are that you can distribute income within a family to avoid higher tax rates… Are there any other benefits?

    Cheers

    Asset protection and estate planning. tax can also be capped at 30% and later if you get a spouse/chidlren you can effectively distribute income to them without needing to change anything.

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    Hi Steven

    Ideally he should be director – the director goes down with the ship sometimes or at least may get a bad credit rating if the company goes down. But, it is the director that runs the company so they do have some power that a non director will not have such as signing contracts etc so it could be dangerous if you are not also director.

    I think you should each have your own trusts. If you have a unit trust under, then the trust will need a trustee and then you have issues with control etc. Probably best to each do your own thing.

    If you are contractors rather than employees then you would be responsible for you own tax and insurance and super etc. But you would also be at risk without the protection of the company if something goes wrong. You may also find you are taxed as an employee anyway if you don't meet certain rules. Also under the corporations act and bankruptcy act if you are performing work and are under paid then the creditors may be able to sue the company/trust for your wages if you were to go bankrupt later. So it is probably best to be an employee and receive a small wage and then divert profits into your own discretionary trust which can then treat it tax effectively and give you asset protection.

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