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    Sorry Robbie I am no longer a broker so can't really assist.

    It may be difficult to get a high LVR such as 90 or 95% with such a short period of employment, but if you are working in the same industry as in SA it may help.

    In Australia you will find all of the loans (from banks at least) are mortgage insured at amounts over 80% LVR. There are only 2 major mortgage insurers and these are the same no matter which bank you go to. As such the banks will all have similar policies for loans over 80% LVR.

    The problem with originators is that all their loans are mortgage insured. Another problem is that getting increases down the track may be a problem as well as potentially high exit fees.

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    I would suggest you steer clear of Mortgage Originators. Best to stick with major banks I think.

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    Have you got a job yet Robbie?

    If not, maybe you could supply proof of income from South Africa. Without this you will find it extremely difficult to obtain finance I think.

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    there isn't really anything simple you can do, especially for existing assets.

    You could set up another trust and borrow money from the trust securrin the house with a second mortgage.But you will have the cash and it will be an asset which will be at risk if you go down. Would be expensive tax wise too,

    You could set up a trust and let it buy property using the house as security. But this may not be completely safe as the trust is obtaining an advantage without any benefit.

    There are also options – you could sell an option to your trust and have the trust lodge a caveat over your house. This should give some priority to the trust if things go bad.

    A life tenancy may be an idea too. But these are only valid for the life of the tenant. A trustee in bankruptcy may be very happy if the life tenant were to suddenly die during your period of bankruptcy.

    The only completely safe option is to sell the house and spend the money i think.

    If it is a project you are worried about then try to use a company to do it to limit liablity. Do every thing legal, take out insurance and take some protective measures and you should be fine.

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    Cattaby wrote:
    Thanks for the replies all. It doesn't sound like something I will need (everything has been fairly straightforward, and there are no other interested parties), so I think I'll keep my $250 and put it towards a few slabs of beer instead ;)

    how do you know there are no other interested parties?

    It will be very rare to get hit, though it can happen.

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    In NSW the law society has recommended that solicitors suggest to the purchasers that they lodge a caveat after exchange because of a recent case called Black v Garnot. In this case a third party lodged a writ over the property relating to some sort of debt. This writ was lodged after the solicitor did the final title search in the morning, but before settlement. This was in a space of about 2 hours.

    Because of the writ the lodging party was able to prevent the title being transferred. The purchaser settled, but could not register the transfer. It went to court and it was found that the lodging party held a higher priority to the purchaser. Had the purchaser registered their interest with a caveat then they would have had a higher priority and would have been able to keep the property and to register the transfer.

    So if your solicitor did not recommend a caveat and something like this happened then they could be in trouble.

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    There will be little to no asset protection with you transferring to your parents (or a trust) for free. Even if you do it for market value it could be clawed back, especially in the early years. Have a quick skim thru the bankrupcty act.

    Either way you will be up for stamp duty and CGT at market rates for a transfer to parents or a trust.

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    Here it is
    http://www.lawbooks.com.au/book/drafting-trusts-and-will-trusts-in-australia.do

    its only $159 – so why not buy 2 copies.

    Drafting Trusts and Will Trusts in Australia

    Author:   Flynn ,  James Kessler
    Publisher:   Law Book Co of Australasia
    Edition:   1
    ISBN:  

    9780455225494

    Pages:   436
    Publication Date:   26 June 2008
    Format:   Paperback

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    st81hp79 wrote:
    Terryw wrote:
    There is a very expensive book out there called something like "Drafting wills and trusts" which is a good read. It outlines the anatomy of a deed and explains each clause in a deed and what it is for etc. Costs about $350 but I think there is a CD included too which contains draft deeds and different clauses. This book is available at Sydney Uni library if you have access.

    Sorry for dropping in…

    Hi Terry,
    I am interested in the book you have recommend on the above post.
    I would appreciate if can  get back to me on who the author is? and the exact  title of the book? cause I have been browsing on the internet and came a cross a few with the same title " Drafting wills and Trusts" with all different prices depending on the author.

    Thanks
    st81hp79

    Sorry  am behind in my emails. just catching up now.

    I own a copy of the book, but I am away from home so am not sure who the author is. Kessler rings a bell. A bitish QC

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    That sounds about right.

    But to be able to carry forward the losses the trustee would need to make a family trust election and this has an affect of reducing the beneficiaries to close family members only.

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    silverx wrote:
    Terry: mmm if only I can employ her to take care of our daughter :) it's more than a full time job On serious side, I might look at setting up a company and employ her

    You would have to employ her in some way so as you could claim a deduction. Otherwise you would be still paying the same tax and she would be paying tax on her income = more tax than before.

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    Your wife would probably be a beneficiary of many trusts – unknown to herself perhaps. Trusts are worded widely to catch as many people as beneficiaries as possible. So one of your family members, even distant family members, may be able to save to tax.

    If one of these trustees could distribute to her that is possibly $16,000 that would go to someone else at a higher tax rate which could then become tax free. 30% of $16,000 is about $3,400 – which may be the savings.

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    Is there any way you could employ your wife some how?

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    You can only claim your own deductions. Since you don't own her half you cannot claim for expenses related to this. If she ends up with a loss she can carry forward until next year.

    But this is a shame as an individual can earn up to $16,000 pa and not pay tax. Do you have any family members with discretionary trusts who could divert some income over rather than waste it?

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    st81hp79 wrote:
    Hi Terry,

    My accountant has got back to me on the above question and you are spot on!
    The "Appointer" they believe can't be sued by an external party, so the role should be safe.

    regarding to the RE contracts, you are right, the directors of the trustee company signs the contracts.
    So if that's the case what's the cons and pros of having 2 directors?
    or should I only have 1 director as myself, cause I am pretty much the one who's closing RE deals.

    Oh! I forgot, he did mention that if you have 2 directors (hubby & I) if either directors was sued they can resign and step aside. 

    Once again, thanks for answering to my questions. :)

    st81hp79

    Hi S

    Your accountant is venturing into legal advice there!

    Appointors can certainly be sued. But the position of appointor is not something that can be taken by someone else such as a bankruptcy trustee. So no one else should be able to get their hands on your appointorship. But there are cases, one involving a Corporations Act offences and many Family law matters where they have attacked trusts and looked behind them to the controller, so it is still a remote possibilty that someone can get at trust assets. Also any money you lend the trust or it owes you could be gotten at too.

    I personally can only see double the risk in adding a second director. It is not needed, a single director is possible. But it may be recommended where control of the company is important. But it is usually the shareholders who control the appointment of directors and with a trust involved it is the appointor that can remove the trustee. Also with husband and wife there is less chance of disputes arising – such as should 'we' buy a certain property – the director could sign and the contract binding.

    But the risk is mainly in the guarantees. Banks will want all directors to guarantee the loan, so if the venture fails it would be better to have one person go down than both.

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    Hi

    You can’t add beneficiaries without causing a resettlement. This will mean a new trust being formed with cgt and stamp duty again.

    By long term benefits I mean it will only be negative short term so the tax advantaged will soon come. Plus cgt and other benefits.

    Other benefits include asset protection and estate planning. Trust assets do not form part of your estate at death

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    The appointor's role is just to appoint the trustee. It is the trustee that is the legal owner of the trust assets and therefore the trustee that must sign legal documents. Since a company can't sign the directors of the company are authorised to sign on its behalf.

    There is case law determining that the position of appointor is not 'property' and so cannot be taken by a trustee in bankrupcty (say husband is sued the bankruptcy trustee couldn't step in his shoes and take over the role of appointor and then appoint themselves as trustee and distribute all the trust assets to themselves). But some people recommend having a third party appointor too so as to distance themselves from the argument that they are the trust, ie controller. But this is dangerous as the third party could act in their own interests.

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    An adult can earn up to $16,000 pa and pay no tax. This is great for those with one family member not working.

    Beneficiaries of a trust cannot be changed without a resettlement and huge tax costs, but you will find that the class of beneficiaries is very wide so you will not need to change anything.

    Also think of the long term benefits.

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    Hi Richard

    I beleive this is a bit of a grey area.

    The contract could be signed dated say 30 June with a condition that finance be approved which would occur say 01 July. The contract would not be binding until 01 July so I think this would technically be the date of the contract for tax purposes.

    But, I am not sure and this can have huge implications so please check before signing.

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    Yes it can. But there are complex rules involved.

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