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    Wills should be updated regularly. e.g change in assets – buying, selling, mortgages etc and change in family – births, deaths, marriages etc.

    provision for the wife refers to allowing for her "proper maintenance, education or advancement in life"

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    Do you have non deductible debt?

    If selling consider the CGT consequences – of loss consequences.

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    Thats probably the best way. Interest on money borrowed to reno an investment property should be deductible.

    Don't use your cash to reno the investment as this will mean you have less cash for your PPOR and will result in higher non deductible interest and therefore higher tax.

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    I don't know much about ACT law, but think you may find there are no notional estate provisions there. However, if he has property in NSW it is still possible for it to be challenged in NSW.

    I think the best strategy may be to get your dad to be open with the wife and everyone else in the family. Often problems arise because beneficiaries feel left out and shocked or disappointed at this. Discussing it now and giving reasons may help later on.

    Watch out for the BDNs as some will have to be renewed every 3 years. This depends on the fund and its size etc.

    Also get your dad to consider a prenup or postnup. This can be done under the Family Law Act (even after marriage) and will help in the event of divorce and death.

    Get him to do a proper will. Cover ever eventuality etc and make sure he makes provision for the wife.

    Then finally you may also want to consider taking mortgages on his property or buying options to purchase his property as added extra protection.

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    I recently helped a friend do this. $80k down to less than $40k.

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    Ring up the bank and make them an offer to pay out the card in full, but only at 40% of the debt outstanding. They will take it probably if you give them a story about how poor you are and how close to going bankrupt you are. it wont even hurt your credit report.

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    I am doing a masters degree in wills and estates now and am interested in this area.

    firstly what state are you in?

    Secondly, your potential inheritance has dropped dramatically because of your dad marrying!

    Superannuation does not form part of your estate on death. Super is a trust and is not the asset of the individual until they receive it from the fund. You need to speak to your dad about a binding death nomination. These have to be prepared correctly otherwise they are invalid. Without one the trustee of the superfund will decide where to pay any benefits. Usually they would just pay the surviving spouse. The benefit can be paid to an individual or it can be paid into the estate. It may be best to keep it out of the estate as wills can be challenged – but this will depend on which state you are in. There are also tax considerations too. If your dad leaves a tax dependent then the super canbe received by the dependent tax free. it can be a lump sum or a pension. Its a very complex area and I don't know much about super.

    There are also provisions known as Family Provision which enable someone who is not adequately taken care of in a will to apply to the court for an order to basically rewrite part of the will to give them a share or to increase their share. Only an eligible person can apply for a Family Provision order and being a spouse or a child of the deceased would qualify. Even if he leaves her a little bit she can still make a claim, as can you. The court will take into account various factors such as the person's needs, their own resources, and the size of the estate etc.

    Also, if you are in NSW property that does not form part of the estate can be deemed to be part of the estate. This includes property such as superannuation and trust assets, property sold before death without adequate consideration etc. eg. Your dad transfers property to you for 50% of its value 3 years before his death. This could be deemed to be part of his estate and she could make a claim for it.

    Spouses also have rights to acquire property. He may die leaving you half and her half and she may be entitled to say she wants to keep the house she is living in and have it reduce her share of the remainder of the estate.

    So many things to consider, especially with blended families.

    If your dad dies without a will, then the rules of intestacy will prevail. She may end up with a very large chunk if this were the case.

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    I am still unsure of JCCP's point regarding the banks only taking x% of rental income into account?

    As far as its relation to trusts, I am confused.

    If a person was getting income from a trust a lender may take that income into account as if it is ordinary wage income. They may also take it income account as rental income. After it has been received for a few years it may be able to be treated as ordinary income too, but banks also have a formula for this too and it could be that only 30% of ordainary wage income is taken into account.

    There is also the possibility that the lender will not take this income into account at all as it is income of a discretionary trust and the trustee can exercise discretion so there is no guarantee that the income will be received again in the future.

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    JPCCM wrote:
    Are you a trustee of a company discretionary trust?

    Are you asking if I am a director of a company which is the trustee of a discretionary trust?
    Yes.

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    JPCCM wrote:
    Yeah exactly, what I meant though is, I know st. George they have only 75% value of any income from investment properties. Call up your bank and say to them do they calculate any positive geared income as a full. Most banks don't, means if your making $1000 a week from your investment property from the same bank, the bank will only take $750 worth in your statement. (as an example).

    Not sure how this relates to trusts?

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    I think JPCCP must have been making just a general comment about the trust owning the family home and the loans.

    I think the family home should generally be held in personal names, in the name of the spouse least at risk. This is because if held in a trust land tax will apply and so will CGT. Both could be avoided otherwise.

    If you already have a trust with some assets the trust may be able to lend the individual money to buy the house, or part of it. This will help protect it, especially if the trust takes a mortgage over the property.

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    Sorry, I don't follow.

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    I agree with that JPCCM.

    In my eg of the person tripping and suing the trustee, this would be a trust debt (assuming the trustee lost).

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    Hi JPCCM

    I must disagree with you.

    The trustee is the legal owner of the property of the trust and is personally liable for debts incurred in performing their role as trustee.

    If someone is sued as trustee their personal assets are at risk. This could be someone tripping on carpet in a rental property. Someone who had notified the owner several times requesting the carpet to be fixed for example.

    Trustees are indemnified out of the trust assets. So if they are sued the trust must reimburse them. This is usually made clear in the deed, or if not in the leglisation such as the Trustee Act NSW. So someone suing the trustee of a trust could get at the trust property of that trust.

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    And, just move back into the property 5 years 11 months after you moved out and then later move out and you will get the 6 years again.

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    I think the cost base would be the valuation at the date the 6 years ends.

    if you sell before 6 years there would probably be no CGT.

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    6 years.

    (the 6 on my keyboard don't always work!! – maybe like your 'n'?)

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    Hi

    Well sort of.

    BJ, the family home may not be 100% safe for a number of reasons. It could be found that the house is really a joint asset with the wife holding he husband's share as trustee for the husband. You would have to look at who paid for the house – initial depost, was it all the wife's? Ongoing payments, was it all the wifes? Non financial contributions, did the husband contribute to any improvements of the house?

    One famous barrister called Cummins caught caught out many years ago.

    It is still probably tbe best structure to have, you just have to be aware of the risks,

    Other risks include borrowing or lending money to the trust. If you lend it and the trust goes down then you would lose it, if you still owe money to the trust then the creditors of the trust will be entitled to that. You have to be careful with these Divsion 7A loans.

    Scott, good to have one house per trust so as to not keep your eggs all in hte one basket

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    Hi Jason

    Are you saying you lived in the unit first and then rented it out?

    If so you may be able to avoid CGT totally and still rent it out for up to  years as long as you are not claiming the CGT main residence exemption on any other property.

    Otherwise you will be up for CGT from the date you rent it out. For CGT purposes the market value at the date when first used to produce income will be important, s118-192 ITAA 1997. So you should get a valuation as of that date (the higher the better too).

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    Sorry, I got the section wrong.

    It is s197 of the Corporations Act
    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ca2001172/s197.html

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